Will you meet many women?

[Albert]

WOW, such a collection of strange posts!!

People accuse me of many things, yet they themselves tell outright lies here.

Philb correctly quoted one of my past posts:

"I go for business first, and meet with ladies on all trips because I like women.  I am not looking for a wife, but I am not adverse to getting married.  I follow Dan's rule to 'treat international dating same as local dating.'   To me that means enjoying dates and the marriage thoughts will come later. "

Based on this type of prior post, our fearless truthteller Fiorella wrote: "Guys, Albert said that he doesn't look for serious relationships and no marriage at all. "

And deden, who gave some excellent advice before, says:  "I sure wouldn't be bragging that I had to pay to go to the FSU to have sex . . ."

Now how does going on an expense paid business trip equate to paying to go somewhere to have sex?

And then there are the snide remarks about my dates with ladies aged 35-50.  What would be the outcries if I dated ladies 18-30 like many of the other men my age (early 50s)??  You would think I would be thanked by RW for not ignoring the older ladies.

To jb and others.  I was happily married for close to 30 years to a wonderful AW.  So I don't think many of you can top my record and be giving me lectures on how great it is to be with a woman you love and who loves you.  I am merely doing now what many of the rest of you did when you were 18-30.  So what makes my case so much worse just because the sequence is different than yours?

BC why do you keep bringing up this idea of meeting vs dating?  If I give numbers of how many women I meet it might be 10 to 100 per day counting business, grocery stores, mall, neighbors, etc.  A date to me is where the parties get together for some mutually agreeded upon pre-romantic times.  This is what happened with the 150 plus number I gave for FSU women.  These dates last anywhere from 4 hours to several days.  The typical average first date lasts about 10 hours.  In your view, BC, does a date have to last longer than mine to be classified as a date?  Or do you have to go on multiple dates to call it a date?

On another thread I asked for info about cell phones.  [user=259]Rvrwind[/user] proptly repled on another forum with some detailed advice about what cell phones would work where, etc.  Then he later admitted he really didn't have a cell phone and saw no use for them.  So I guess it is pretty clear the value of his advice on other subjects also.

in phoenix says:  "How the hell can you find one decent woman when you don't have the time (150 of them) to attach yourself to just one and see where it goes."

As I have posted before, I have been to FSU over 20 times in last 5 years and I stay for a month or more each trip.  These 150 women have been spread over that period.  I am never rushed.  I have plenty of time to spend with each woman.  Why should I 'attach' myself to one and see where it goes when I mostly don't like where it is going?  I have done follow-up visits with 5 of these ladies and taken several weeks vacation trips with these 5.  During these extended times together, three of them let their true selves come through which led to the end of the relationship.  Two of them I was very serious about and started the paper work with 1 but later stopped it.  The second one I wrote about a few months ago here.

I short, I have spent a lot more time with some individual ladies than have most of you guys here with your fiances and wives.

in phoenix also says:  This is the reason you end up dating 150 women, not serious.

This is a ridiculous statement.  Todd here has stated he dated 300 women.  Why isn't anyone jumping on him?  I think 150 is just a drop in the bucket compared to the number that most guys dated between age 18-30 or so when I was happily married.  So I am a mere piker when it comes to numbers.

[Albert]

Leslie made an excellent post.  He made me rethink the situation and realize that the woman who would be so concerned about this that it was her only sentence to me, would never let it go.  She would likely be a woman that would smell her man's clothes each day to see if she could detect a hint of another's perfume.

Amazingly, most all of the 150 FSU women I have dated have never asked about other women.  I am sure they suspected, but they never brought it up.  A couple were pretty great about it, joking, etc.  One thought (mistakenly) that I was going to visit 3 women in her city.  She said:  "Three isn't even enough for a good competition."

But after Leslie's post, I did remember back about 2-3 who seemed concerned about this and kept bringing it up in subtle ways.  It got to be a real drag and ended what could have developed (with one of them in particular) into the real thing.

But to alay the concerns of Leslie and others, I NEVER speak to the women during messages or initial dating the words love or marriage.  I have only spoken of marriage to the two ladies that I mentioned before.

And all this talk and hints of me paying large sums of money for sex.   I have not paid a dime for sex, except for the meals, theatre tickets, etc., that is involved in normal dating.  Some ladies have even bought me tickets, brought food to prepare etc.  And my trip expenses are completely paid, so I am not even spending those thousands to go and date, etc.

Also, I am fully into the dating scene here in USA.  However, it is much harder for me to find desired dates here in USA compared to FSU because of my requirements for slender ladies.  I don't claim to be a Don Juan, but there are many, many women here in USA who are 'after' me.  But, because of their standard (excessive) weight, I cannot bring myself to think of getting close to them.  I have to try hard to come up with 20 dates a year in USA whereas I can achieve 20 dates in 20 days in FSU with women who meet my physical standards.  Of course, not until the actual dates can we determine the non-physical attractions.

[Albert]

Leslie had the best, on the mark, post when reading sequentially.

But then, deden's post followed which I thought was very, very good.

I think his words and thoughts are classic and should be posted somewhere as some very good words to use for anyone who is contemplating a WMVM trip.

I will have to give it some more thought and see if I want to try it, or stick with Leslie's good advice that it will probably be a waste of time with a gal who has this mindset.

But, after this great post, then deden later blasted me in a subsequent post.  His blasts were based on what others claimed that I had said.  But these words by others were completely false or distorted the truth beyound recognition.  It is sad that often here people make judgements about others without ever having read what the person actually said themselves.

[Albert]

And one other thing.  I did post before about dating over 150 FSU women and having sex with 37 of them.  I knew at the time that I would be blasted, but I didn't care because I posted it for a very good purpose.  That purpose was not at all to brag, because I don't believe either of the numbers is any sort of upper record.

My reason for posting was to indicate my background when I gave some advice to someone else in the original post.  Quite often here, we have guys and gals giving all sorts of advice about topics that they really know very little about.  A guy goes to FSU and meets only one gal and then comes back here and starts posting about 'here's what FSU gals are like.'  It is totally silly.

Other guys are actually married to a FSU woman and make the same types of post about 'what FSU gals are like.'  This is also totally silly.  What they know is what their FSU gal is like.

Women who post here maybe have dated one foreigner and start telling us what foreigners are like.  It is totally silly.

As I noted before, guys and gals will post here giving advice about cell phones, etc., when they actually do not even have a cell phone or use a cell phone.

So how are we to ever learn anything about anything when we never really know what is the background or experience of the person giving the advice?

I would propose that we all give some statistics about our actual experience on any subject so that the readers can judge the validity of the comments.

If all people would do this, it would eliminate the 'bragging' stigma associated with those such as myself who are candid enough to state the facts.  I don't give a sheet whether this pees off any of you.  I am going to continue to state my facts.  I don't think Wilt Chamberlain will ever worry about my catching up with him.

[BC]

BC why do you keep bringing up this idea of meeting vs dating?  If I give numbers of how many women I meet it might be 10 to 100 per day counting business, grocery stores, mall, neighbors, etc.  A date to me is where the parties get together for some mutually agreeded upon pre-romantic times.  This is what happened with the 150 plus number I gave for FSU women.  These dates last anywhere from 4 hours to several days.  The typical average first date lasts about 10 hours.  In your view, BC, does a date have to last longer than mine to be classified as a date?  Or do you have to go on multiple dates to call it a date?

The difference I see is that a 'meeting' is prearranged by a third party or simply meeting with a woman for the first time. There is no rejection factor involved. This is nothing more than an introduction - like your sister introducing you to her girlfriend and going out to get an ice cream together. It takes quite a bit more personal effort to ask a woman out on a real 'date' and this is usually subsequent to meeting somewhere beforehand.. for example I go to a bar (could be the grocers, laundrymat etc)and share some words with a woman that seems interesting. If there seems to be enough mutual interest I would ask her to dinner, or a long walk in the park, or play strip poker or whatever.. That to me would be a 'date' and of course she could either accept or decline the invitation.

Whatever works for you is fine, but it really sounds like your priorities lie more within the realm of meating women (not a misspelling) and using your letters, agencies or whatever to disguise your true intent. Need an arranged date during business travels? Use a dating or other 'full service' agency instead.

[Elen]

Wonder is it really such fun to spend 30 years in happy marriage and after that ramble across such "balck holes" like R/U in your 50s trying to find don't-know-what-:??

Didn't get tired yet, Albert?

[Albert]

BC after reading your definition of date, then I will state again that I have dated over 150 FSU women.  And my dates are no different than the dates that you have gone on.  Unless you are actually a homosexual, then I am sure that you had some sexual thoughts about most of your dates before, during and after.  The same for me.  Why are yours OK but mine are 'meat?'

[Albert]

Elen, you are having some serious trouble with your reading comprehension.

How many times do I have to state that I am assigned to go to FSU on business trips, before it sinks in to your brain?

How does going somewhere on a business trip relate to your " ramble across such "balck holes" like R/U in your 50s trying to find don't-know-what?  Didn't get tired yet, Albert?"

And, hell no I am not getting tired.  I am enjoying myself emensely . . . . . everywhere I go both here in USA and many foreign countries including FSU ones.

[BC]

albert,
I have never been on a date arranged by a third party, or used letters, dating/marriage sites etc as an introduction tool.

[Elen]

How does going somewhere on a business trip relate to your " ramble across such "balck holes" like R/U in your 50s trying to find don't-know-what?  Didn't get tired yet, Albert?"

:?may be such thing like going on dates with more than 150 women relates to what I's speaking about more than business trip?  

Ok Now I wonder when do you work at all?

[Michelangelo]

Our conversation keeps straying from the point. I view this board as valuable because I can glean from the experiences of others.  So I am going to ignore the kidding and jabs, and simply answer the question straight.

I have a good relationship with my formal Russian girlfriend.  We talk every week.  She tells me that "ALL" girls dating or writing foreign guys are writing many, even if they say they are just writing you!!!  This is her honest answer.

But she also tells me that girls are blind to this when it come to their man, and want to think he is only interested in her!  Double standard or the way of the heart?

My advice then is to "don't ask and don't tell."  But if she insists, tell the truth.  After all, she has other men on the line...

I go to Ukraine next week myself. I will see two girls and I sure hope that I can seem to be devoted to the one I am with!  I am human, and I just want to make the best choice for her and me, and pick the best girl for marriage...

It does not make sense to travel that far and not make progress toward my goal of finding a wife.  And I think I double my chances when I see two girls...

[Elen]

Double standard or the way of the heart?

It's the rules of the game




 

[deden]

Albert, I'm a believer in the WMVM.  But, if you have dated 150 ladies over there (not met as I would think you'd have to have met at least 4 times that many), all who you have seleceted to date and can't find one sencere lady that you would marry only two things can be possible.  You are not sincere in anything but dating them and truly have no intent of marriage or you sure are looking in all the wrong places.

Now I could care less if you have dated 1 or 1000 ladies from the FSU, but stating on a board you have dated X amount of which you have had sex with Y amount ranging from a-z in age, is truly classless and tasteless.   And while I don't mind helping those guys sincere in their pursuit of marriage, I am not about helping those who are going on a sex tour (and posting your "conquests" on a board saying it has occurred over 20 visits after dating 150 ladies meets my definition of someone who's seeking a sex tour) whether it is paid from your pocket or your company's pocket.

No sympathy here, I'll blast anyone just as tasteless or classless in their postings.

 

[philb]

Well said and the fact that he still doesn't get it makes that big "L" all the more visible

[Bruno]

As I noted before, guys and gals will post here giving advice about cell phones, etc., when they actually do not even have a cell phone or use a cell phone.

About the very long post of Albert, i understandt a lot of thing but i go begin what the only one i don't agree fully...

It is not because somebody don't have or use something, he is not able to give advice... about myself, some have already say that i am not American and my advice about K1-K3 was not valid... OK, i have never use a K1 or K3... but i am able to find information on the official web site of US gouverment... but same on these forum, some people are too much lazy to click on a link and read ...

Yes, some people here have not a lot of experience... but some of them are able to find fast the right information...

Now, about Albert itself, i understand him a little more... yes, he use the reverse logic of several of us... usually, people meet/data a lot when they are young and after some time, they go fixed and married... it is the way to maturity...

Albert have know the change to be married almost 30 year to a wonderful woman ... and now, he meet/date several woman... some people can think that it is a step back, a loose of maturity... but i think that a other reason is after this...

Now, it is what i feel, maybe not the true... but Albert speak about 30 year of happy marriage with a wonderful wife... but he have never speak of divorce... i think that he have know some bad evemement in his life, i think he is a widower... and same if this is not true, he always love his previous wife...

And here is the problem... i am sure that he search a woman like his previous one, who can make him happy the next 30 year... and so quest are not easy... his chance to find the right one is very low because each individual are unique... a second problem, same if he find a perfect copy of the first wife or same a other one, he will always know the fear that  these new relation end like the first one... the end of 30 year happiness is something really difficult...

Albert, i don't know your story, i have only read all your post on these topic and it is what i feel... maybe i have too much imagination, but in any case, you only know the true story... but if what i think is true, only yourself can help you... no one of us will be able to help you... you need to find your own way... i am sure that if you find the right woman, you can make her happy, but these quest can be very long... maybe you need forget a little these 30 year of happiness and open yourself to something new... because i think that nowhere on these planet, you can find the woman for replace your previous wife...

Good luck :cool:

 

 

[in_phoenix]

Well said and the fact that he still doesn't get it makes that big "L" all the more visible

haha!

Well Albert your such the expert then what the hell are you asking for our advice for.  You've already perfected it 150 times in the FSU so whats the problem because you loose one in the letter writing stag.  What ever.

[Photo Guy]

'I was just going to delete her, but then got to thinking about what snappy comebacks I could send to her that might charm her into not making an issue out of this.'

Albert, there's your problem.
You basically begin the topic by saying that you are an experienced man of the world, who has lots of experience with women and relationships.

And then you go on to ask advice about how to charm a desirable
woman who wrote you a one-sentence answer to your 'nice long'
letter. Again, it looks to many of us as though you want to avoid her
direct question, in favor of charming her.

This looks as though you would be evasive and possibly deceitful.

If you are meeting lots of women, you need to tell them on the first date, what your goals are. (fun, a good time, casual sex, whatever)
Doing that requires directness rather than 'charm' or snappy comebacks. If you don't know what your goals are, then you are lost.

People at RWD are obviously wondering if you are being open
and honest on your first date and in your introductory letter. When you choose a woman, how does your mind work? What is the criteria? If the criteria is 'Is she sexy fun for a date or two?', then quickly elminate women who ask about your dating scenario, or
who ask about your views about 'home' or 'family'. You shouldn't go more than one date with a marriage-minded woman, for her sake.

When you say you are not adverse to marriage, it is too complacent to be practical. In my opinion, we need to have fairly strict guidelines to follow for finding a wife. If not, we could easily fall for some crazy hot whore and that would be a mistake. But, maybe you view most women as being whores. My advice, take it or leave it.    Doug

[Bruno]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

If you don't know what your goals are, then you are lost.

Doug, it is in very short the feeling i have about Albert... he is lost... but why ???

[BC]

If you don't know what your goals are, then you are lost.

Doug, it is in very short the feeling i have about Albert... he is lost... but why ???
[/quote]

Simple.. a big black hole in the soul.

[TheArrow]

As I noted before, guys and gals will post here giving advice about cell phones, etc., when they actually do not even have a cell phone or use a cell phone.

 

Hey, are you sure in what you are saying? Who doesn't have a cell phone, eh? Wanna check this? I can give you the numbers of my 3 cell phones and also the number of my home phone, lol. You can call me and also have a talk to me in fluent English, lol (in English only coz I am pretty sure you do not know Russian, sorry).

[Photo Guy]

Bruno - why is he lost?
Many of us are lost, in our youth when we experiment with different woman and different jobs, different studies, etc. Maybe he is going through a process similar to a normal 21 year old, a process he may
have missed when he was that age. I've known quite a few older
people who still aren't sure what they want in life. Personally, I think
religion and/or volunteer work can help someone expand their thinking. The ego needs to be counter-balanced.  Doug

[Photo Guy]

Hey, are you sure in what you are saying? Who doesn't have a cell phone, eh? Wanna check this? I can give you the numbers of my 3 cell phones and also the number of my home phone, lol. You can call me and also have a talk to me in fluent English, lol (in English only coz I am pretty sure you do not know Russian, sorry).

Albert, I think she is very interested in you! ...Or else she is being sarcastic.
One or the other.  Doug

[Bruno]

Hey, are you sure in what you are saying? Who doesn't have a cell phone, eh? Wanna check this? I can give you the numbers of my 3 cell phones and also the number of my home phone, lol. You can call me and also have a talk to me in fluent English, lol (in English only coz I am pretty sure you do not know Russian, sorry).

He speak about  [user=259]Rvrwind[/user] ...

 

[Bruno]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Bruno - why is he lost?
Many of us are lost, in our youth when we experiment with different woman and different jobs, different studies, etc. Maybe he is going through a process similar to a normal 21 year old, a process he may
have missed when he was that age. I've known quite a few older
people who still aren't sure what they want in life. Personally, I think
religion and/or volunteer work can help someone expand their thinking. The ego needs to be counter-balanced. Doug

I think that he is lost in his mind and comportment due to these 30 year happy married... this make some pertubation in his comportment... he need some healing process about this... again, it is only what i feel, i have no fact about this...

[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Hey, are you sure in what you are saying? Who doesn't have a cell phone, eh? Wanna check this? I can give you the numbers of my 3 cell phones and also the number of my home phone, lol. You can call me and also have a talk to me in fluent English, lol (in English only coz I am pretty sure you do not know Russian, sorry).

Albert, I think she is very interested in you! ...Or else she is being sarcastic.
One or the other. Doug

I am sarcastic, of course, Doug.