I must have lost my mind

[Greg]

Yes I was attracted to her. Was she sending me signals? Sure she was, but under the circumstances our days/nights always ended up at her flat. I was going to be sticking my tongue down her thought or grabbing her crotch in fron of the kid.

 

I was NOT going to stick my tongue down her throat or gvrab her crotch in front of her kid.

 

My battery must be wearing out on my keyboard.

[jb]

Bruno,

Women of Russia are not so desperate to marry a foreign man.  Find yourself a nice Moscovitchka who earns a good living and she might love you enough to leave a good home for the man she loves.  Not for what she thinks he can give her.

If that happens, then you will have found a true soulmate. Going to Ukraine to find a desperate woman who will marry the first man who comes to town is a crapshoot.

Better safe than sorry.

P.S.  If your lady is from Ukraine, I don't question her motives, I do question yours.

[Greg]

I'm probably naive in regards to the cultural traits that differ from country to country. Can the women of Russia be that different form the women of Ukraine? I know the Ukraine is a poor country and maybe that was my mistake to look for love in such a place.

[jb]

BINGO~!

[Fiorella]

Bruno,

Women of Russia are not so desperate to marry a foreign man. Find yourself a nice Moscovitchka who earns a good living and she might love you enough to leave a good home for the man she loves. Not for what she thinks he can give her.

If that happens, then you will have found a true soulmate. Going to Ukraine to find a desperate woman who will marry the first man who comes to town is a crapshoot.

Better safe than sorry.

P.S. If your lady is from Ukraine, I don't question her motives, I do question yours.

No, they prefer poor desperate women who don't speak any English and who is agency slaves.

I think this woman or keep Greg as full stupid or she must have something in her hands for push him so. I wonder what it could be?

Greg, I recommend you leave this woman and find someone in your own town. Then you will be pretty sure that she will not after your money.

[Greg]

To all the agency owners who happen to be members to the group. I have observed a general lack of trust towards people who have found themselves in similar circumstances as myself. To attempt to get a woman who was listed with their sites "blacklisted" on their respective sites seems to be very difficult. In my case the agancy owner has defended this womans actions without any evidence to the contrary. I'm not at this point trying to implicate this owner in any way and cannot understand why they have choosen to raise the bar to a standard thats too high for anyone to prove. I have not seen any attempt at common sense on their part to this point. What I fail to understand is don't they expect me to be a returnng customer?

[jb]

No, they prefer poor desperate women who don't speak any English and who is agency slaves.

I'm sorry, this is the forte of the man who cannot do for himself, he needs to have a wife put in his lap without complications.

This is not real life, so sorry.....

[deden]

Well let's face it.  This should already be a closed case  Whether she is asking for 5000 dollars, pacsos, Hrvina, tacos or whatever, its time to cut the anchor line and sail on.  Next time don't be so free spending with the money and gifts Greg.  Also, use your common sense, if it doesn't smell right to you, its rotten regardless of how anyone else thinks it smells.  Lick the wounds and move on.

[Bruno]

Bruno,

Women of Russia are not so desperate to marry a foreign man. Find yourself a nice Moscovitchka who earns a good living and she might love you enough to leave a good home for the man she loves. Not for what she thinks he can give her.

If that happens, then you will have found a true soulmate. Going to Ukraine to find a desperate woman who will marry the first man who comes to town is a crapshoot.

Better safe than sorry.

P.S. If your lady is from Ukraine, I don't question her motives, I do question yours.

Yes, my lady is from Ukraine, Nikolaev... and the previous from Russia, lipetsk...

My motives ? Why i have choose a ukrainian woman ? When i search a woman, i don't take care of his geographic position... she can live in my street or other side of the world, i don't care... i search someone and not a country of city...

And about Galina, she earn enough in Ukraine... by marry me, she don't have a more high standing of life... ok, i earn more that her but the life is more expensive here... i have explain to her all this and it is not a problem for her...

Fiorella wrote : No, they prefer poor desperate women who don't speak any English and who is agency slaves.

Yes, she was in agency... and don't speak any english... after several problem with agency... we have no more use the service of agency... she have use internet club, and for the e-mail, we have send e-mail both in Russian and English... now, she write only English, she have learn... and during our next meeting, she go begin learn Dutch.

Greg wrote : Can the women of Russia be that different form the women of Ukraine? I know the Ukraine is a poor country and maybe that was my mistake to look for love in such a place.

BS... i agree that Moscow and St Peterburg are special case but for the rest the level of life is around the same... and be poor is not a bad point... generaly, so woman know what is the real value of life... in the case of your lady, she have life around 40 years without you, she will be able to life the next 40 year too with you or not... the problem is not with poor woman but with man who think that they go save a woman from povrety... and they think that they can buy love... another big BS...

Greg wrote : To all the agency owners who happen to be members to the group. I have observed a general lack of trust towards people who have found themselves in similar circumstances as myself. To attempt to get a woman who was listed with their sites "blacklisted" on their respective sites seems to be very difficult.

I don't have problem for blacklist a woman... but evidence are needed... i have already blacklisted one because she have use a false international passport... but if you have deal with the agency like you make on these forum, sorry, i understand them... until now, i have not see ONE evidence... it is not a problem of agency but a problem of justice... you need prove for accuse someone... and i am always waiting your evidence...

[Fiorella]

If you don't mind, I post a link to this discussion on our russian women's forum and ask for women's opinions.

[Greg]

Great idea I'm interested in what a womans point of view on this would be.

[Greg]

Unfortunately it is "real life" for me. I am a perfectly capable man who owns a sucessful business and never have enough time in the day as I would like to have. I'm swamped most days with work and am no interest in looking for a woman in the bars or clubs I'm not very religous but very spiritual so the church or it's functions are out. I'm new to this part of the country and have tried local dating agencies and have found a lack of potential "wife material" with them. I'm 46 sucessful with kids who have left the nest and was hoping to find a good woman to spend the rest of my days with. I then became aware of the existance of agencies who have reams of pages of women who were looking for husbands. I checked out what I could and tried to narrow my search to an honesty agency witha good reputation. I was not looking for a woman out of my age bracket and I am not have a mid-life crisis and do not feel the need to relive my youth with a young trophy wife. I tried to look for a woman who had children a little more on the older side as I didn't want to be changing diapers all over again. I tried to be realistic about all this. So you see it was "real life" for me as i am sure it is for many others.

[Elen]

good profile:D

[Kvinna]

seems to me this man was kicked out and now he wants taking revange to try blacklisting her. But seems he doesn't have any proofs that is why he doesn't tell the name of his uktainian maiden and agency

sorry to say but this is very common story nowday

[Greg]

I'm not sure what you mean "kicked out" but I have invested a little time and effort into her not to mention the dollars. I will definately name her and the agency as soon as they finish their investigation of her. I was looking for advice from other sources in this group and have recieved much so far some made sense to me some not. I have no to axe to grind but do have a genuine concern to others that they not be swindled in the same manner.

[Kvinna]

I'm not sure what you mean "kicked out" but I have invested a little time and effort into her not to mention the dollars. I will definately name her and the agency as soon as they finish their investigation of her. I was looking for advice from other sources in this group and have recieved much so far some made sense to me some not. I have no to axe to grind but do have a genuine concern to others that they not be swindled in the same manner.

 

I meant only she reject you...

now who is deBill and could he does favor to tell us this story from his side?

[Fiorella]

Kvinna,

I just thought, may be we know who is that deBill ??? :cool:

[Greg]

deBill is a friend of mine who has nothing to do with this, that i am aware of other than when I met this woman his name came up in passing. Yeah I showed this letter to him and he's a little freaked out himself. "how the hell did I get involved in this?" was his responce. I haven't a clue. The agency has emailed me and are very concerned about this woman request for such a large amount of money. They are of the opinion that this is not a reasonable request and are trying to find out if this was a serious request or a joke on her part. I'm not laughing.

[Kvinna]

Jane,

You still are in scammer business and I do not like that. So I have sent information about you to all Ladies I could find in Simferopol. Have you noticed that they look strange on you in the city?

I called your ex husband in beginning of March for a friendly chat. He said that he was serious sick and he did not like to talk with me, idiot. I could have helped him to smash you, but I will do that just for fun.

Noticed also that you disappeared from Free Personals, but as a scammer you will show up again. By the way so should I visit some nice ladies in Ukraine during April, I will also go to Simferopol. I can easy make some hundreds copies of your photos and put a nice text, with name address and phone so you can take prostitute clients direct from the street in Simferopol. It is cheap to ask some kids to distribute these photos in your neighbourhood and at your university (institute).

One day will you learn how it feels when someone plays with you, year by year will you get old and ugly:)

By for now

Bjarne

 

sorry to say but Greg's story seems to me looks like that

[Fiorella]

By the way, Kvinna, it is just remained me the story of that well known in narrow scammer's community englishman who tried to use his gf as sex slave and when she has left him now he black mail and black list her everywhere. She even was forced to file complaint to local court for him.

NET PERVERT TRICKED ME INTO BEING HIS SEX SLAVE Aug 3 2003
How girl doctor fled
By Stephen Martin And Will Stewart

A FORMER school teacher has been accused of keeping a glamorous Russian doctor as his sex slave after tricking her into coming to Britain.
Her family say divorcee John Collins, 53, held penniless Siberian medic Anastasia Kiriakova prisoner in his home for a year, forcing her to cook and clean for him.
Collins would regularly wake Anastasia, 29, in the middle of the night and demand oral sex, she told her family.
Since fleeing from his home in Bromley, Kent, she has received a barrage of threatening emails from him and he has posted derogatory messages about her on internet websites.
But Collins claims it was Anastasia who pestered him for sex and that she conned him out of Ј10,000.
Anastasia placed a lonely hearts advert in a London magazine asking for help to come to Britain to continue her studies and increase her meagre Russian wages of Ј4 a week.
Collins, who claimed to be 10 years younger than he is, sent a picture of himself as a younger man and urged Anastasia to be his guest.
She says she arrived to find she was expected to cook, clean and give sex on demand to Collins.
She told her family: «I was like a slave. I wasn't allowed to go out except when he gave his permission.»
Despite insisting he wanted a platonic relationship, it is claimed Collins was soon harassing her for sex.
Furious that she walked out on him, Collins is now waging a campaign against Anastasia.
In one email he threatened: «I am the leech that is going to stick on to you. I am going to suck your blood.
«The reason is that you have decided to ignore me. I am nobody's fool and not yours.»
In another, he wrote: «If this had been war...I would have shot you out of hand, without compunction and without qualms.»
Collins claimed Anastasia «was a sex machine». He said: «She wanted it all the time. She was really dirty. She started barging into my bedroom. She was the most hungry woman I had ever met. It's nonsense for her to say I made her cook and clean.
«She took my money and took herself off to Paris. She went ballistic when I locked her out of my house when she got back. She set about me.»
Collins has complained to Russian police about Anastasia - but a spokesman said they rejected the complaint «from this randy pensioner who misled her over his age and is now sending a steady stream of abusive and threatening emails to her family». British authorities have also taken her side, allowing her to re-enter the UK to complete a medical course.
Anastasia's father Alexei, 53, said: «I think he's mad. First he invents this terrible story about my daughter. Then he tries to make other people believe in this nonsense. He has tormented us to death with his emails.»

 

[BC]

Some really good examples there ladies.. I think it might be a good idea to start a new discussion thread with some of these stories.

[Greg]

These men sound to me like very sick people. I hope you are not trying to say that i am anything like this poor excuse for a human being.

[Bruno]

I'm not sure what you mean "kicked out" but I have invested a little time and effort into her not to mention the dollars. I will definately name her and the agency as soon as they finish their investigation of her. I was looking for advice from other sources in this group and have recieved much so far some made sense to me some not. I have no to axe to grind but do have a genuine concern to others that they not be swindled in the same manner.

Ladies and gentlemen, maybe in these case, we need stop a little and don't use our imagination too much... until the case have actually no evidence, it is very difficult to judge... give some time to Greg for the investigation with the agency... and after, we will see...

 

[Fiorella]

Anyway, it would be good to listen second side's version.

[Bruno]

Anyway, it would be good to listen second side's version.

Of course... but until we have no information, we cannot... Greg have say before that he was ready to send me some evidence without probleme but i wait always ...

Now, he say that he go post it in the future... i wait again... and if with time, nothing is coming, it mean that all these topic is a big JOKE... :X