Russian women are not for everyone!

[SANDRO43]

Indeed, but he's the type of guy who will do anything to get what he wants. Of course, he is interested in starting his own video game company but unfortunately he doesn't have investors yet on board

Strewth, receptive as a brick wall.  What's truly scary is YOU giving FSUW dating advice .

[Son of Clyde]

Alfie,
He can barely survive in NYC on $20k a year. How can he support a wife? Maybe he can survive on borsh and hot dogs? Does he live in a cardboard box? The cheapest rent in NYC is still around $800.00 a month.

[prince_alfie]

Alfie,
He can barely survive in NYC on $20k a year. How can he support a wife? Maybe he can survive on borsh and hot dogs? Does he live in a cardboard box? The cheapest rent in NYC is still around $800.00 a month.

He is sharing a room with an older guy... he pays like $560 per month on his salary. Ironically this guy is incredible. He managed to save up to buy a new macbook (selling off his own powerbook) in 7 months.

No cardboard box. However, his bedroom is rather messy. It was hard to walk around the boxes and empty soda 1 liter bottles on the floor... 

[prince_alfie]

Strewth, receptive as a brick wall.  What's truly scary is YOU giving FSUW dating advice .

I didn't advise him on how to do the FSUW path but just provided him with advice about searching the FSU. That was about it.

He pretty much did the rest up until now. It will be interesting if this works out and it goes through. Jooky and I are pretty familiar with the situation... 

[Bruno]

Yeah, but I do admire that guy for being dead on persistent. He is actually going over to Kiev next month which is a lot more than what most guys (including myself) have done...

Pretty motivated... at least he had a reasonably wonderful chance you know?

Alfie, i think that you already know that i am against these elitist point of view related to dating RW... i admire someone who is persitent BUT these guy need to think about the future... dating is one thing, take care of a familly is something other... people with low income can reach the goal of dating RW but they need patience... if they have not the needed nomey, they need spare... maybe wait one of two year until they have enough money at side... yes, for people who are not rich, it is possible but not directly...

Maybe you have miss it when i have post here a video ( via torrent  system ) with the title "diary of a mail order bride"... the situation of your friend make me think to the first man in the video... a house who was really dirty, no money, etc... result was a return home of the RW... If you wish, PM me your address ( of these of your friend ) and i will send you for free a CD with the video...

PS: If more newbies will see it, i will reseed it via torrent file...

Again, RW are for everyone but in these case, he need to ready himself... not a own home is not a problem... but eating hotdog now... what will happen when they will be tohether ? Eating the grass of central park ? He need first to seek a regular work, spare some money... not for the trip and dating periode but for the first year together ( in almost no case a RW will be able to work the first year, add the course of English to the expense )...

For God sake, i am for equal chance for everybody... everyone can have a RW ( not everyone but it is not related to money, more too character )... but you push it to a other extreme...

Sorry, but post like yours make me understand the extreme point of view of men like JB... These guys don't only gamble with his own future but he gamble with the future of a innocent, the FSU girls... any normal men have some self respect and honor... but these guy seem to be the real looser... and a FSU girl will pay the price for his idiot move... and you, who have read these forum from several month, you don't try to stop him... i don't like personal attack but you are a idiot too...

PS: just see the "Son of Clyde" post... same him with low income don't agree with the method... You and your friend are a shame for the communauty... specialy for people like me and "Son of Clyde" who have work hard for reach our hapiness with a RW... now, i begin understand extreme point of view like JB... he is a shame for the communauty and you too because you seem to support him !!!

PS2 : Dan, sorry if i seem to be insulting other people ( alphie and his friend )... but in these case, it is needed... i have always think that not rich people can conpensate the problem of money with brain but when the lack of money is associate with the lack of brain, it is "mission impossible"... and the only one who will suffert is a FSU girl... something that i don't agree and accept... i think that these story will become a new antidate story... yes, we have really people with unrealistic expectation in these process... shame for us...

[Bruno]

He is sharing a room with an older guy... he pays like $560 per month on his salary. Ironically this guy is incredible. He managed to save up to buy a new macbook (selling off his own powerbook) in 7 months.

Do he plan to share his RW with these older guy !!!

7 month for a macbook... in september, my computer was dead... me, a poor gardener, i have manage a dual core with 2GB memory, with 1.5 TB hard drive, with PCI express graphics card... in two week...

Of course, no expensive product, i have build it myself... if you wish compare computer wish RW, let say to your friend need the finance of a new macbook each month during 2 year for afford a RW in a normal situation... He is not on his way to know a misluck, he is ready to repeat Hiroshima... If he is really your friend, try to stop him... if he wish, he can PM me and i will give him some advice... his goal to have a RW is not impossible but now he need to wait a little ( month of years )... First a stable situation and only after a DSU girl...

PS: a computer need only one time money... A FSU girl is each month... add one time year trip to the family in FSU... expense become more high when child become involved... Aflie, i don't think that you  are a idiot.. give him good advice... if you are not able to make so, give him the URL of these forum...

[Photo Guy]

Ditto -what Bruno said.

Prince- how does a guy bring his fiancee home to a shared apartment?
That will obviously need to change. He'll have to be candid about
his situation. He should send photos of his apartment to his
first potential candidate. How will he afford the multiple trips
to the FSU?

Playing the devil's advocate, maybe he could find a very poor
nice girl from a village, who wouldn't mind his living conditions.

[prince_alfie]

Do he plan to share his RW with these older guy !!!

7 month for a macbook... in september, my computer was dead... me, a poor gardener, i have manage a dual core with 2GB memory, with 1.5 TB hard drive, with PCI express graphics card... in two week...

Of course, no expensive product, i have build it myself... if you wish compare computer wish RW, let say to your friend need the finance of a new macbook each month during 2 year for afford a RW in a normal situation... He is not on his way to know a misluck, he is ready to repeat Hiroshima... If he is really your friend, try to stop him... if he wish, he can PM me and i will give him some advice... his goal to have a RW is not impossible but now he need to wait a little ( month of years )... First a stable situation and only after a DSU girl...

PS: a computer need only one time money... A FSU girl is each month... add one time year trip to the family in FSU... expense become more high when child become involved... Aflie, i don't think that you  are a idiot.. give him good advice... if you are not able to make so, give him the URL of these forum...

I advised him about trying to straighten out his finances but he doesn't have any interest in a full time job in corporateland or govt. type of job. He prefers to do his own thing. The biggest negative is having him to save up on his sparse salary.

[prince_alfie]

Ditto -what Bruno said.

Prince- how does a guy bring his fiancee home to a shared apartment?
That will obviously need to change. He'll have to be candid about
his situation. He should send photos of his apartment to his
first potential candidate. How will he afford the multiple trips
to the FSU?

Playing the devil's advocate, maybe he could find a very poor
nice girl from a village, who wouldn't mind his living conditions.

I have no clue. According to him, he expected to score well on the first trip and then attempt to bring him to the States on the K-3 visa when he tries to marry her on the second trip.

Of course, he doesn't think that she needs more than a basic apartment. He does want to move up to Boston however.

[Bruno]

I have no clue. According to him, he expected to score well on the first trip and then attempt to bring him to the States on the K-3 visa when he tries to marry her on the second trip.

Of course, he doesn't think that she needs more than a basic apartment. He does want to move up to Boston however.

Score well !!! It is what i call the visa card dater... all on credit, marry , and bring the girl in a lot of problem...

I am not rich but i have some value like respect and honor... not that htese man is not able to marry a RW... but it is not the right time for him now... if i good remember, same for a K3, you need to show your financial to the gov ( not sure for US but here it is needed )...

By example, here they count each people living at the sale address... you need minimum 1000 euro income... + 150 euro for each people living at the same address... + 200 euro for each foreign.... if you share a appartment, it mean a supplement of 150 euro on your own income... yes, i know, our system is complex... but it is make for the best of the two side...

Once married, your friend cannot more share a appartment... more expense is needed... Since the FSU girl will ot be able to have a valuable work during the first year ( minimum ); all will be related to him for pay....

Like i have say before, RW are for everybody... but for not rich people like me, some work is needed before... maybe your friend will be able to marry a FSU girl in the future but not now... the main objective for him now will be to find a job who allow him some stability... a RW don't ask always a rich man but all RW ask a stable situation...

I have know a US carpenter, without big income... but he was secure... he have build his own home ( he was able to make it ), have expend the home with more room when he have begin date RW... Yes, he was not rich but without debt... He was able to use his own hand for make something... but you friend, from what you say, have nothing to offer...

Yes, a good heart is great but people don't live of water and love... a minimum is needed... if you have not these minimum, you build it and take your time until your are ready...

I think that i am a good example... i am not rich but i have a life contract, i have stabilitiy, i have wait until i was ready...

We, poor people can reach high goal... but not with dream... only with hard work...

Hmmm... these remember me a very old topic about the man realistic expectation... make some search here ( these topic is maybe one year or more old )....

[Son of Clyde]

Alfie, is he your friend or is this a hypothetical situation?

[prince_alfie]

Alfie, is he your friend or is this a hypothetical situation?

Nope, he is the real deal, my blog again details the complete adventures of him quite well including photos of him and the girl in interest. In fact, Jooky knows him decently well too.

[Gator]

Bruno, just wondering, what does a Belgian gardener do in winter?  Gardening is one of my many hobbies, and when I was really into it while living in a cold area, all I could do in winter was start seedlings. 

Do you work the same hours per week in the summer?  I would guess that you have more free time in the winter to romance RW via the computer.  You guessed wrong about BC so I I imagine my guess about you is wrong.

[Turboguy]

Helloooooooooooooooooo T/G are you out there anywhere.  I would be having a good hard long read of this if I was in your boots.  I have seen some pretty brash statements in my time around these forums, but this is about as brash as it gets.


I/O

VWRW's quote you refered to said:

"I personally enjoy seeing faces of those Russian men when I tell them that I am one of the women who are going to marry a AM. Most Russian people would like to have the same level of life, opportunities as American people have. "

Yes, I am around I/O.  Not home but actually working a tad for a change.   

You totally lost me with your comment.   I always have a good long read of any posts by VWRW and find them helpful, wise and well thought out.   I saw nothing brash at all in her statement.   She just tried to show her insight as a Russian into the things you were talking about.

As far as what she said about Russian people who would like to have the same level of life, and opportunities that American people do I find that quite believable.   Some people do consider America to be a land of opportunity.   Probably comes from a lot of stories like the one about the college kid who started putting computers together and selling them mail order from his college dorm room and years later Michael Dell still sells a few, or the old guy who took his first social security check and used that financing to set up a franchise with his chicken frying process.   He had people licking thier fingers for the rest of his life.   Of course there was that milkshake machine salesman who bought a hamburger stand.   We all are supposed to believe that anyone with the right idea and some determination can make a success.   I am sure it is not so easy in Russia.  I think that you can be smart and work hard in Russia and still have little to show for it.   Here if you are smart and work hard it is not hard to improve your life. 

I am glad VWRW realizes that.  She actually has some pretty good ideas about what life in America is and is not.   She does not have a bad life in Russia.   She has a good job and lives in a very pretty apartment with her mother.   She also is very smart and not afraid of hard work and I think someday she will find America to be a land of opportunity for her but she is also aware of the challenges she will have ahead of her, that her ladder to success may have to start on a lower rung and take some time.   Anyway I/O, I saw nothing but positive things in her post and nothing brash in any way.

   

[Bruno]

edit : post deleted... sorry for the topic jacking... was simply responding a question...

[TexasBoar]

Outstanding threadjack! Bravo!!! 

~Boar 

[Son of Clyde]

Actually, I would give Bruno more credit. He also has a background with computers if I am not mistaken. He is probably one of the most computer literate guys on the board.

[TexasBoar]

edit : post deleted... sorry for the topic jacking... was simply responding a question...

No, no . . . I enjoyed the post.  Put it back! 

Certainly it was more useful and almost as entertaining as jb bursting into a thread I hadn't even posted in at that point to "call me out" and "cluebat" me about things I had already mentioned, in detail,  that I already saw as potential obstacles and problems clear back in my INTRO post, months ago. 

~Boar

[Son of Clyde]

Boar, maybe this link can help. Actually it is very cool to go back several years to certain sites. Might not work for this one.


http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

[mspanky]

TG,

 At first I was skeptical about your girl. But I'm liking her more and more. She is bright, honest and speaks her mind. Gotta respect that. Something many guys are afraid of . Congrats,you have found yourself a gem. A beautiful one at that!

[Turboguy]

Thank you spanky.   I am very proud of her and very happy that she is part of my life.

[LEGAL]

Score well !!! It is what i call the visa card dater... all on credit, marry , and bring the girl in a lot of problem...

Once married, your friend cannot more share a appartment... more expense is needed... Since the FSU girl will ot be able to have a valuable work during the first year ( minimum ); all will be related to him for pay....

Like i have say before, RW are for everybody... but for not rich people like me, some work is needed before... maybe your friend will be able to marry a FSU girl in the future but not now... the main objective for him now will be to find a job who allow him some stability... a RW don't ask always a rich man but all RW ask a stable situation...

Yes, a good heart is great but people don't live of water and love... a minimum is needed... if you have not these minimum, you build it and take your time until your are ready...

It is very useful advice for newbies.
Often a ship of love is broken with reeves of a daily life.

Olga

[Jazzyclassy]

I am sorry I did not manage to read all the replies to this topic , but wanna say that KenC started  a very reasonable discussion cos there are types of men who should stay at home and try meet women there and start the relations.

I agree with I/O for sure cos he got that list right ,the thing is  it is so difficult to be sensible being in love with a woman and being thrilled  by  her  being so far away  ,the feeling of exotic unknown and something of a dreamy great angelic relations with her

and those men have no idea that russian and Ukrainian women  are actually in so many ways the same as their women in other countries, cos that is just how women are , they cry they are impulsive, very emotional , rarely think twice before telling any statement....

of course there are some special , unique women who are very sensible emotional enough and stuff, but it is other they pretend and hide their nature or you are lucky to find such:))))))

What I mean is that of course a lot of things influence mentality , different cultures and many other things, but you know Love knows nothing if it is true love, if you got issues so to say considering this or that woman , that is not true and sincere feeling that is all retribution, only cold profit of this relations

of course men gotta think twice before starting any actions towards russian and Ukrainian women , these are  not games it is really easy to be involved with the person and so hard to understand that nothing good will occur of your relations

[Dar]

Any man can look for RW. He just should to be prepared for all the difficulties which might appear( psychological too). But it's not a secret, that only 2 from 10 men get positive result with women (like marriage).
A man which is not able to give basic support to a woman ( simply material things) shouldn't look for ANY kind of women - RW or AW.