a good woman, just not a 10

[Jet]

Online dating starts with profile with ages and photo. Before she get a chance to demonstrate her charm and other abilities in making good impression on males ( without 10 look) her profile would be in a trash.  ( that's a difference to dating in reality where there is more time and ways to make that impression except "just look" ) 
 So in her particular case there should be another approach than what was suggested.

I don't know that this is entirely true in all situations. In my own personal experience, I had no idea what Liliya looked like for first 3 weeks of our communication nor did she know what I looked like. Our situation is unusual but not unique. We met via ICQ instant messenger and not any dating site at all. Of course this required high level of english reading and writing on her part first, the speaking & listening skills came along much later. In our "relationship" there was VERY high probability for failure and very small chance for success, but we have been able to "beat the odds" for 5 years now (first contact was March 2002).

I agree that friend of Clyde's wife probably needs to try something different than other younger, better looking women, but this will require some initial effort on her part. We STILL haven't heard how motivated this woman is regarding life abroad - only what Clyde's wife wants...

[Elen]

Agree that the first thing she is supposed to decide if she REALLY wants to move abroad and what feats she is ready to do and what she is ready to sacrify in a name of that holly aim


( Ps I am not speaking that moving abroad by any mean she has should be her main goal Just to my mind without strong determination to do that it's better not to star at all this messy business)

[Gator]

Elen and Lilly,

You are both correct. 

The agency webpage that I referenced earlier shows that she probably would not receive any interest if she were listed with a FSU agency. 

Looking at women listed with an agency is far different than meeting women randomly at a party.  Two strangers meeting at a party will start talking, and if they find each other interesting, they will continue to talk.  As long as they find the appearance of the other person to be acceptable, anything could happen (and this has much to do with Lily's list).  This is "reality meeting" in which a person's charming ways prevail vs. a two-dimensional photo in "fantasy meeting" of Internet profiles. 

Thus, Son of Clyde's woman needs to go to parties and other places where she could come into contact with men (unless there is something wrong with men from Ukraine).  I am uncertain, but it seems to me that there is less social mingling in FSU than in America. 

Returning to Lily's point, when corresponding with RW via the internet, ethereal  qualities would emerge, even with women who spoke limited English.  A woman's aura would become more important than her looks.  These qualities and such aspects as common interests and aligned goals would control who I wanted to meet in person.  Nevertheless, I did need to find the woman physically attractive in her photo (not necessarily Hollywood beautiful).

[Gator]

TwoBitBandit,

You concern me.  Are you on the correct board?  You went for the bare chested look whose faces are not nearly as visible as with the other men.

Here is a place for you:

http://www.gay.ru/english/

  (just teasing you)

One of your 10s has small nipples.  You know what that means.

[TwoBitBandit]

TwoBitBandit,

You concern me.  Are you on the correct board?  You went for the bare chested look whose faces are not nearly as visible as with the other men.

Here is a place for you:

http://www.gay.ru/english/
  (just teasing you)
One of your 10s has small nipples.  You know what that means.

Heh, no offense taken. 

Honestly, I don't seem to have much of an eye for what makes guys attractive, they all pretty much look the same to me.  For instance, Brat Pitt doesn't seem that attractive to me.  I was hoping some of the women (Lily, et.al.) would assign numbers so I could compare.

I am jealous of the washboard stomachs a couple of those guys have.  I've been pumping iron for awhile now, but don't have anything like that.

[Lily]

I am still not comfortable assigning numbers but can tell that I only find the guy pictured as New-York-singles-FLANDERS109.jpg attractive. Everyone other - no thanks

[TwoBitBandit]

I am still not comfortable assigning numbers but can tell that I only find the guy pictured as New-York-singles-FLANDERS109.jpg attractive. Everyone other - no thanks

Interesting, and why do you find him attractive?  He's dressed better than the others and looks like a tall guy, but he's obviously 15 or 20 kilograms overweight... and older than some of the others?

[Lily]

well, here I mostly choose by exclusion. He is more attractive to me compared to the others.

When I can scrutinize my instant choice of him, his face tells me that he might be used both to serious thinking and having occasional fun. In fact I did not even enlarged the photos. Actually I had no clue about how tall he is..I didn't thought about it, however a full size picture tells more of course. As of his weight..I am not into slim guys. Neither into the fat ones, though. my guess is that he may be a weight lifter, or just naturally sturdy built.

The very last guy obviously takes pride in his body, but too slim for my taste..needs some fat on his muscles. Plus he looks boyish to me.

[mspanky]

  I may be mistaken. But I think the younger ,6 packers would not be a viable prospect for a RW seriously searching for love. Unless it's the 18-22 crowd.

  The younger guys with looks would most likely be playing these women  just for fun as it's obvious they probably have an abundance of local girls after them. I've never met guys that looked like the 6 packers on Jazzy's photos who did'nt have more babes  fighting over them than they can handle(unless they're gay). Why would they be on the internet looking for love?. Women are really smart.They think things out like that and search for a guy they feel would be loyal and more of a family guy.

   We men would see a 10 and try to talk ourselves into trying to be with her by using the WILD excuse beautiful women rarely get asked out because guys are intimidated. Now that is the biggest BS ever. I know beautiful girls who get asked out all the time. then when they are alone, they complain noone ask them out. They forget to mention, noone with their list of "wants in a man" has asked them out.

[LEGAL]

I think if a 45-50 y.o. woman puts her profile on a dating site it will not be bad for her in any case. What about a  competition?  Competition is just a comparison. When we  choose something or somebody we use a  method of comparative analysis even in our subconscious level and every thing is in our competition because we try to choose what is best for us. When we even simply walk along the street, very often we are a passive part of somebody's comparison. When a person is taking care of her/his appearance the person becomes  a part of competition because the person wants to look not bad in comparison with other people or even to look better. We can have a passive or active part of competition-comparison.
What is a positive side for woman to be on a dating site? She can not only be a passive part of competition but active too. If you want to get something in life you should make an effort  to get it.

What about the men on dating sites who  only want young girls?

For example

http://freepersonals.ru/showProfile.da?id=228432


I think he is not just one man on the  dating sites who is seeking partner with reasonable age difference.



Olga

[mspanky]

 I've heard of foriegn women putting up profiles in a regular American website. Usually, the men thought she lived in the U.S. But after some found out there were many takers. I also think it's assumed some men searching for dates on websites cannot afford to travel and meet the women. I say that's BS. Most decent guys can afford a plane ticket and trips.

[El Rock]

I've heard of foriegn women putting up profiles in a regular American website. Usually, the men thought she lived in the U.S. But after some found out there were many takers. I also think it's assumed some men searching for dates on websites cannot afford to travel and meet the women. I say that's BS. Most decent guys can afford a plane ticket and trips.

It can be very difficult for most people  to  break away from  their  every day routine  to travel to other countries .
It' means leaving your familiar surroundings  , your comfort  zone behind .
It really is a huge  undertaking to do this , for most .

[El Rock]

It doesn't matter  if they take care of them selves or not .
There is some one for everyone .
You emotionally  connect with the right person  , magically .
We all have our standards  , some high , some not so high .
Us humans  look for that non-threatening comfortable person .
It's all about a" comfort zone "   or "comfort level " that each person has that we may connect with ............. or what ever

Rock

I think if a 45-50 y.o. woman puts her profile on a dating site it will not be bad for her in any case. What about a  competition?  Competition is just a comparison. When we  choose something or somebody we use a  method of comparative analysis even in our subconscious level and every thing is in our competition because we try to choose what is best for us. When we even simply walk along the street, very often we are a passive part of somebody's comparison. When a person is taking care of her/his appearance the person becomes  a part of competition because the person wants to look not bad in comparison with other people or even to look better. We can have a passive or active part of competition-comparison.
What is a positive side for woman to be on a dating site? She can not only be a passive part of competition but active too. If you want to get something in life you should make an effort  to get it.

What about the men on dating sites who  only want young girls?

For example

http://freepersonals.ru/showProfile.DA?id=228432


I think he is not just one man on the  dating sites who is seeking partner with reasonable age difference.



Olga

[LEGAL]

It doesn't matter  if they take care of them selves or not .
There is some one for everyone .
You emotionally  connect with the right person  , magically .
We all have our standards  , some high , some not so high .
Us humans  look for that non-threatening comfortable person .
It's all about a" comfort zone "   or "comfort level " that each person has that we may connect with ............. or what ever

Rock

Very often an emotional connection starts with visual perception.

Olga.

[El Rock]

Very often an emotional connection starts with visual perception.

Olga.

Yes , absolutely ,  100% right  .
The way they carry them selves , mannerisms , and so on.

[Rvrwind]

 

I am jealous of the washboard stomachs a couple of those guys have.  I've been pumping iron for awhile now, but don't have anything like that.

I was built like that back when I was 20 & some, think I started to lose it in my thirties when I developed a taste or beer & hotwings!!! Used to be able to bench press twice my own wieght, now I can barely take out the garbage!!! Sheeeesh, talk about gettin' slack!

[El Rock]

:ROFL:I was built like that back when I was 20 & some, think I started to lose it in my thirties when I developed a taste or beer & hotwings!!! Used to be able to bench press twice my own wieght, now I can barely take out the garbage!!! Sheeeesh, talk about gettin' slack!

It's about losing weight , that's how they do it .
& of course working out , too
I have never  had them , not built right , tried , though.

[WmGO]

There are THOUSANDS of totally beautiful, educated and *slim* and *sexy*  FSUW in their 40s listed on the various agency websites. Why WM in their 50s and 60s are not gobbling them up is a mystery.

 

[El Rock]

There are THOUSANDS of totally beautiful, educated and *slim* and *sexy*  FSUW in their 40s listed on the various agency websites. Why WM in their 50s and 60s are not gobbling them up is a mystery.

 

Maybe too set in their ways

[Son of Clyde]

How about this site? Dr Neil Clark swears by it. 


http://www.online-dating-zone.com/free-eharmony-trial/

[mspanky]

 These are guys from a feee website who date older ladies. Probably paid website  has a lot more choices.


 If a young RW had a little bit of English skills,was smart and attractive. She would probably have a whole lot of young(30's) guys to choose from.

 
47 years old.does not want kids

http://pics.plentyofsite.com/dating/29/GrandRapids_matchmaking_3259551.jpg

45. Does not want kids

http://pics.plentyofsite.com/dating/39/CarolStream_personals_11782044.jpg

[Gator]

FSU women in their 40s - a mostly untapped goldmine for men in their 50s and early 60s.

I have dated such women in each of my three WMVM trips. They impressed me. 

They remind me of AM in their late 40s, soon to turn 50.  They have a reasonable position that pays enough to take care of their needs.  They have worked long and hard to provide for their children, and now those children are leaving the nest (RW have children earlier and children complete their university sooner).  Mama finally has time to think about herself. 

Some may call it “set in her ways”.  I call it – “independent woman.”  She has mostly evolved into what she is, as opposed to young women who will change a lot.  She knows what she wants and does not want. She can spot “bull sh!t” from a 1000 meters. 

Andy Rooney of CBS Sixty Minutes wrote a great piece about women turning 50, and much of it applies to RW in their early 40s:

An older woman will never wake you in the middle of the night to ask, "What are you thinking?" She doesn't care what you think.

An older woman knows herself well enough to be assured in who she is, what she is, what she wants and from whom. Few women past the age of 50 give a damn what you might think about her.

An older single woman usually has had her fill of "meaningful relationships" and commitment." The last thing she needs in her life is another dopey, clingy, whiny, dependent lover!

Older women are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you if they think they can get away with it.

Most older women cook well. They care about cleanliness and are generous with praise, often undeserved.

An older woman has the self-assurance to introduce you to her women friends.

A younger woman with a man will often ignore even her best friend because she doesn't trust the guy with other women. Older women couldn't care less.

Women get psychic as they age. You never have to confess your sins to an older woman. They always know.

An older woman looks good wearing bright red lipstick. This is not true of younger women or drag queens.

Once you get past a wrinkle or two, an older woman is far sexier than her younger counterpart. Her libido's stronger, her fear of pregnancy gone.

Older women are forthright and honest. They'll tell you right off you are a jerk if you are acting like one.

Yes, we praise older women for a multitude of reasons. Unfortunately, it's not reciprocal. For every stunning, smart, well-coifed babe of 70 there is a bald, paunchy relic in yellow pants making a fool of himself with some 22 year old waitress.

RW in their 40s differ somewhat from AW.  Although they are past the feelings of “crazy love”, they still seek romance.  And they are not men-haters; a family, even if it is only two people, is still at the top of their list.  They still care very much what a “good man” thinks about them.

[El Rock]

How about this site? Dr Neil Clark swears by it. 


http://www.online-dating-zone.com/free-eharmony-trial/

That's the biggest load of crap out there .
They give you 2-3  marches a month , string you along ,  rip of artist .
they should be exposed  for the  shiit they are

[El Rock]

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=635758

I wanted sooooo much  for this gal to respond to me  way back when ,she  hardly ever checks her email , maybe  once every 2 weeks or less.

[Gator]

Elen, Olga, Jazzy

It would be easier, it seems, for Son of Clyde's women to find a local man, someone from her city. 

He probably would be in her age range so all this criticism about being ignored by older American men is not relevant.  He would also speak her language. 

Why does she not look for a local man?