Big City Women!!!

[Gator]

WmGo wrote,

object to the, yes somewhat arrogant use of the phrase "options" (which is basically suggesting BC Moscow women are superior)

The mere fact that many Russian people migrate to Moscow says something about opportunity, i. e. options.  If I am in a large city and want some evening entertainment, I have more options than If I were in a small town, yet not necessarily superior options (as I recall vividly from traveling through Ireland).

… SOME [BCW] will have a certain MENTALITY as a result of being from and/or living there ….that probably most WM will find undesirable.  And that *mentality*  very often will be the negation of the latter part of Gator's unneccesary expansive definition (especially the part about family values…).

I am confused?  Are you saying that exposure to Big City life diminishes one’s family values?   Or, that my concept of “duality” is redundant because all RW have solid family values?  Or something else?

[WmGO]

This thread is not about what constitutes a "Big City."  Who cares.  

It is about the behavior of women who live in larger FSU cities, particularly the Big Three.
   

Agree - and that is why I was objecting to your new fangled definition of BCW. I
would add that the issue is not just "behavior" but also mentality and attitude. And I
agree that there are way too many W in the BCs to make generalizations that they are
all this or that. But, I would say perhaps there are higher percentages of the kinds/types
that most AM would not want. But, applying the numerical logic of I/O (which I agree with) there would probably be a greater overall number of "good" FSUW in the Big Three than other cities. 

I am confused?  Are you saying that exposure to Big City life diminishes one’s family values?   Or, that my concept of “duality” is redundant because all RW have solid family values?  Or something else?

I am saying first that BCs (for purposes here referring to the Big Three/Four) CAN have a negative affect on people's values including yes family values, as well as ethics, priorities, materialism etc. Possibly moreso than smaller cities. Most people believe so,  but is it really even knowable? I think so, because I have had deep conversations with dozens of FSUP in the Big Three about this, both born and raised and transplants. A *generalization* that I hear oft repeated from *them* is that people outside these megalopolises is that people " are more good". I met plenty from elsewhere who weren't, so who knows?

Certainly, however, it is obviously NOT the case that all FSUW have solid family values. Also, I disagree with your duality proposition, *assuming*  I even understand it.   ???
If you mean that the one follows the other and vice versa I would of course disagree. If you mean that it is possible that *some* women possess both/all of the general traits you referred to earlier, obviously some do (here and there).

Simoni in his last post made some valid points. One may ask, if a WM brings an FSUW from the Big Three/Four to his small or medium size city, or even one of 1 Million, will she be happy there or will she continously put the place down as a "village". Who knows? Everyone is different, but the mentality of looking down upon just about any place that is not the Big Three is pretty rampant in R and U, even with people who do not live in those cities (now that is another odditity).

I will conclude with this: I have NEVER seen as many unbelievably attractive women in such large numbers  as I have seen in St. Pete and Moscow. I understand  *perfectly* why Chivo lives  there (M) 





 

[Misha]

Simoni in his last post made some valid points. One may ask, if a WM brings an FSUW from the Big Three/Four to his small or medium size city, or even one of 1 Million, will she be happy there or will she continously put the place down as a "village".

To reiterate a point I made earlier, it is important to keep in mind that quite often a woman putting down her new city as a "village" is a way for her to "save face" and up her status. She is moving to a new city where Russia or Ukraine or other FSU country is seen as poor. This will be hard on her ego as she will feel that she lost "status." One way of compensating is by bringing down her new home to size. By calling her new home a "village" she can push up her status.

[Jet]

 and that is why I was objecting to your new fangled definition of BCW. I
would add that the issue is not just "behavior" but also mentality and attitude.

I think you and I agreed on this some 4 pages back 

One may ask, if a WM brings an FSUW from the Big Three/Four to his small or medium size city, or even one of 1 Million, will she be happy there or will she continously put the place down as a "village". Who knows? Everyone is different, but the mentality of looking down upon just about any place that is not the Big Three is pretty rampant in R and U, even with people who do not live in those cities (now that is another odditity).

I can say that even after spending a good deal of her adolescent/adult time in Russia's 3rd largest city, my wife has never looked at Ft Lauderdale metro area as a "village" although it is smaller population wise and geographically than N. Novgorod. I do think it has a lot to do with the "creature comforts" available within close proximity to where we live.

[goforit]

Blues Fairy, Thanks for quote. So, 70% of people earn less than $ 1000 per months. Taking in consideration that Moscow is the most expensive city in the world I think they cannot afford much. It could hard to live in less expensive city like New York on $1000 per month.   

Geez louise that amount would be difficult to live on in any "big" city in the US.

[WmGO]

The question thus is: is a BCW from the Big Three/Four more
or less likely to be:

1.  more "Westernized"   (in the negative sense/aspects)
2.  more materialistic
3.  higher maintenance
4.  more  financially demanding
5.  more arrogant towards your small/medium city or even
    BC of 1 million
6.  more self focused/absorbed/seeking
7.  more cunning and aggressive in the negative sense
8.  more conceited and vain

Note: I am not proposeing answers, only raising questions.

What would be the case, or at least SEEM to be the case with
a Muscovite woman like this:

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=2773209

[Gator]

WmGO wrote,

The question thus is: is a BCW from the Big Three/Four more
or less likely to be: [blah, blah, blah]

The only way for a man to know is to have spent much time with women from the Big Cities.

I have spent a lot of time with five of them.  I was not dating two of them, just hanging out together.  All five are fine women.

If a man has not spent time with women from the Big Cities, he is merely extrapolating from a small data point.

Your "blah, blah, blah" and my response:

1.  more "Westernized"   (in the negative sense/aspects) 

Any RW will become westernized after moving to her husband's country.  I suppose the degree will vary, but is it less than 80%?  With a BigCW you have a good preview of her character after Westernization.  With a SmallCW, who knows?


2.  more materialistic
3.  higher maintenance
4.  more  financially demanding

These three are lumped together.  I assert that a typical BCW should be less expensive than a typical SCW because of her earning ability and her real estate assets.


5.  more arrogant towards your small/medium city or even
    BC of 1 million

If arrogant meaning could not live there, I offer JB's wife and my fiancee as examples who are contented with smaller cities.  My Moscow woman was explaining to her friends about Tampa, saying it was small yet delightful.  Someone asked her, "Does Tampa have an airport?"  "Of course."  "Then it is not small!"   Tampa's airport probably has 3x the number of daily flights as St. Piter. 

 
6.  more self focused/absorbed/seeking
7.  more cunning and aggressive in the negative sense
8.  more conceited and vain

You must be kidding!  Did you let a woman do a number on you?  I do not know if there is a statistical difference between BCW and SCW with regard to such character.  If you can not detect any red or pink flags before meeting a woman with a bad character, you should stay  away from all of FSU, both BCW and SCW. 

Regarding your woman from Elena's models, I can only guess.  Personally, I would avoid her.  Her responses to personal message and personality are aloof; there are too many other women who are more keen about about the process.  Her EOI is low, 36%, so she does not even bother to take 30 seconds to answer a man - she is impolite.

Another negative, I doubt that she knows how to make goat urine stew, tree bark utensils, or verniki boots.

[myrddin]

5.  more arrogant towards your small/medium city or even
    BC of 1 million

If arrogant meaning could not live there, I offer JB's wife and my fiancee as examples who are contented with smaller cities.  My Moscow woman was explaining to her friends about Tampa, saying it was small yet delightful.  Someone asked her, "Does Tampa have an airport?"  "Of course."  "Then it is not small!"   Tampa's airport probably has 3x the number of daily flights as St. Piter. 

Wow, when I think of small cities, I was thinking of places in Wisconsin with populations in the 100s.  Technically, I lived in Clearwater Beach but I was almost equadistant for TPA and the PIE (St. Pete's airport, with cheaper flights).  And I can't think of anything I was unable to find in the Tampa area (aside from the job I wanted )

Regarding your woman from Elena's models, I can only guess.  Personally, I would avoid her.  Her responses to personal message and personality are aloof; there are too many other women who are more keen about about the process.  Her EOI is low, 36%, so she does not even bother to take 30 seconds to answer a man - she is impolite.

I'm with Gator - she seems rude.  Just from the profile, I'd move on (it doesn't matter where she came from!)

[BC]

No mention of fine dining and cooking experience..

-HUGE RED FLAG!!!!

[WmGO]

Gator,

Good responses, but you make the mistake of assuming
by my posing of the questions that I was proferring or
suggesting answers or opinions. I wasn't.

I do look forward to more opinions though, hopefully w/o
assumptions [especially of a personal nature (that are incorrect
btw if you just *have* to know   ]  

BTW, the Elena's Models W is not "my woman", just a profile
that I thought was interesting enough to throw out there to see
what kinds of impressions/thoughts people have from just looking
at it.

[Misha]

Another negative, I doubt that she knows how to make goat urine stew, tree bark utensils, or verniki boots.

Gator,

Nobody, even in the remotest Russian village, will make goat urine stew. Few will make birch bark utensils (those that do will do it as a hobby) and I have no idea what you mean when you refer to verniki boots.

[I/O]

And what...???!!! (As my wife would say) The lady from Moscow (EM profile listed upthread) is obviously there on a fishing trip to see what is out there. And what?? She is guarded and not giving too much away so now she is arrogant or stuck up or..............??? There is more women out there who will show more interest etc. But how many threads have we seen here advising not to chase women who seem too keen...........maybe they are desperate? Believe me, there is some desperate people in Moscow too. IMO this one ain't and she does look to have a touch of class about her also, but that is just my opinion.

As for adjustment ability, I have always cautioned guys to think about where the lady grew up and where you are considering bringing her to live as it might present issues. BUT, I have, over time learned it makes no difference once you get to the stage that little thing called "Love" is involved. If you ain't got that, then you've got a schitlaod of trouble regardless of city size.

My wife sums it up like this. (We have discussed whether or not she could live on a farm for example, not that we intend to) She says, "I think it would make you crazy, because I think I would cry everyday for a long time, BUT I think I could learn". She came from Omsk, 1.2 - 1.5 million people to my "village" of around 100 000. Thus far she has cruised into the transition without even the slightest frustration. I admit it is very early days yet, but I think the slower social scene etc would have displayed itself as a problem by now if it was going to.

I just think the whole BC vs SC women thing is a croc of BS. Those who deliberately and advise avoiding the big cities are IMO as mentally challenged as those who do the opposite. We have one guy who has had 14 RW GF's and he is about to tell us how it all is. If he has been searching so long and been through so many, then my suggestion is the problem (not finding until now) belong him. Snobs exist everywhere, scammers exist everywhere, stars exist everywhere and among all of those, there is some super people. Up to you to find her/him.

I/O 

[Gator]

I/O wrote,

I just think the whole BC vs SC women thing is a croc of BS. Those who deliberately and advise avoiding the big cities are IMO as mentally challenged as those who do the opposite.

Exactly!  Good women are everywhere!  Bad women are everywhere too -just glance through the scammer blacklists.

Nevertheless, there must be some truth to the hype about "arrogant Moscow women."  I say that because in the thread surveying bad behavior that men have encountered, two men named Moscow women as one of the top three worst behaviors.

[Gator]

Gaubaub wrote,

Nobody, even in the remotest Russian village, will make goat urine stew.

I give you two choices:  you and I have not traveled to the same villages or Gaubaub means "humorless."

You are correct about the boots.   It should have been "valenki" felt boots.   My Russian is terrible and I was probably thinking about food.   

[Simoni]

there must be some truth to the hype about "arrogant Moscow women."  I say that because in the thread surveying bad behavior that men have encountered, two men named Moscow women as one of the top three worst behaviors.

Yes, there is something to it.  The most arrogant women I dated were from Moscow.  

But I also dated one Moscow girl that was not arrogant at all.  

With stereo-types, one sees the behavior and says "ah ha!"

Women from Moscow and New York and Hollywood tend to think they are better. No question.

But you know, us Texans KNOW we are the best.   So arrigance is not exclusive to Moscow women...

[Misha]

Gaubaub wrote,
I give you two choices:  you and I have not traveled to the same villages or Gaubaub means "humorless."

You are correct about the boots.   It should have been "valenki" felt boots.   My Russian is terrible and I was probably thinking about food.   

Have you ever been to anywhere in Russia other than Moscow and the larger cities? No, we definitely don't share the same type of humor.

[myrddin]

And what...???!!! (As my wife would say) The lady from Moscow (EM profile listed upthread) is obviously there on a fishing trip to see what is out there. And what?? She is guarded and not giving too much away so now she is arrogant or stuck up or..............???
I/O 

Actually, what got me is the "Guess" in the personality description.  I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I just can't find a way that is interesting, or funny, or quirky, or even simply a guarded approach.  I do like the personality: "uncommon".  Even with threads like this,  "City" is one of the last fields I look at.

I notice her EoI response has gone down to 22% in the last few hours.... Perhaps guys saw her profile here and are filling up her inbox 

[Gator]

Myrddin wrote,

I notice her EoI response has gone down to 22% in the last few hours.... Perhaps guys saw her profile here and are filling up her inbox   

I know you jest, yet some may have.  And when she snubs them, they will claim, "arrogant Moscow women."  One need not fear such women because it is highly unlikely that a man will get the opportunity to meet her. She'll cut off 98% of the men at the border, before they step foot into Russia.

[Gator]

Gaubaub asked,

Have you ever been to anywhere in Russia other than Moscow and the larger cities?

  Within Ukraine: the Crimea, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Zaporozhya (sp?).  You say each has an airport and is thus "large."  How about Uman, and I loved that charming one-hotel town (population under 100,000). 

Within Russia: the Urals,...why bother.

[Fashionista]

They are all small town gals:

Madonna
Britney Spears
Pam Anderson

and the whole bunch of Spice Girls  

[I/O]

Perhaps guys saw her profile here and are filling up her inbox 

Perhaps her local Russian BF is filling up her "inbox" also? Goodness, some of the theories presented here are becoming more and more bizare. I am reminded of Krimster's comments in another thread, lots of hunters sitting wondering where to hunt, who actually goes hunting?

I/O

[Gator]

Fashionista,

They are all small town gals:
Madonna
Britney Spears
Pam Anderson

You are a clever woman selecting those three.  Yet, some men do like their women to be a little "trashy."

[Fashionista]

Fashionista,You are a clever woman selecting those three.  Yet, some men do like their women to be a little "trashy."

Oh, I love all of them. Trashyness turnes me on. I just a little consern about their cooking skills 

[KenC]

Well, I hate to rain on your parade, but Madonna grew up in Rochester, MI.  Even though Rochester, itself is a small town, it is really just a continuation of the mass suburbia surrounding Detroit.  they may have preserved the small town "downtown" but in no way is it truly a small town.  I lived less than a mile from her childhood home.  Later she did buy a vineyard for her Dad in Traverse City, MI which is a true small town.

Some may also question how much influence being born in a small town may have had on Britney as she hit super stardom at 16. 
KenC

[2tallbill]

  I couldn't help posting this joke in this thread.