FSUW are more materialistic than Western Women

[groovlstk]

I have a problem with someone naive enough to think they are not or less materialistic than AW.

Ambach, I don't recall anyone on this board specifically posting that RW were less materialistic than AW. The issue you were called out on was making an an ill-informed statement that RW were MORE materialistic than AW, all based on a handful of emails and profiles of FSU women looking for Western mates. Don't try to play semantics.

I also find it hilarious that you keep using the word naive to describe the attitudes of men here - and you've done it several times - when for the past three months you've been posting basic relationship questions (e.g., how do I choose the right one? How should I answer when they ask why I'm looking for a Russian wife?) that most 15-year-olds with three dates under their belts could answer.

It's been said by wiser men than I that this is not entry-level dating. If you have little experience w/women, which is embarrasingly obvious based on your posts, you will be eaten alive in Kiev.

[ambach123]

For the record I was married twice and have dated hundreds of AW, too many to count.

[Shadow]

Ambach, so you have already failed two times at marriage and made hundreds of minor mistakes.

I am proud not to have your 'experience'.

The profile you showed was not materialistic in my view. What did she ask ?
- Someone who can support a family : no requests on 2 cars, big house with 5 bedrooms and holidays in the Bahamas. Just someone who supports the family.
- Preference for someone with his own business: Why ? Because when someone has his own business that is good enough to support a family, that means she can either be at work with him, or he has more time at home. Keyword: spending time together.

You will drag women from places like Nikolaev and Dnepr to Kiev for your meeting of 20 in 10 days ?
What are you making a trip for ? Are you going to meet someone sharing your life, or give job interviews for the position of wife ?

[Gator]

I gathered about 20 prospects in the past about 30 days or so....About half of them are from outlying areas and are coming to Kiev on their own dime. I have stopped collecting because I don't think I can meet with more than 20 in ten days.

I would not worry about how to reduce the number of women.  They will eliminate themselves when they learn of the minor detail that they must take on their dime an all-day train ride for a couple of hours with you.  The desperate will come, however.  Maybe a GTG or two who know how to work AM.

For the non-Kiev women, it would be better IMO if you rented a 2-BR apartment and invited a select few for a couple of days.   As you start scheduling your meetings and explaining logistics to the UW, you will understand the problem.  Just make sure that those who do visit with you are not GTG's.

Some want to show me around town as a " guide " ; no thank you.

Actually, that is a great way to get to know a woman and to experience her culture and have a good time.  I enjoy travel and went from city to city with a RW "guide" to meet in each.  Appreciating a woman's culture and heritage is very important in building a solid relationship. 

I don't give them much financial information about myself, except I give them a link to my business website. I own an internet based business, one of the largest in its class in USA.

Dependent upon the content, that could have made a huge $$$ impression.  Such should have been disclosed no sooner than the 3rd exchange of emails.  Be careful about who is following your green lure that you are fishing with.

my record of personal relationships is poor...For the record I was married twice and have dated hundreds of AW, too many to count.

You are batting "zero" with women from your culture, who speak your language, who are near your age and league, and who have economic opportunities.  Do you now understand the potential pitfalls that await you?  Be careful, but have some fun.  Having a good time is not possible jamming so many women into a short trip.

It is unlikely that I would select anyone on this trip.

If you stay with a 20-UW, 10-day format, you are only spending 2-4 hours with a woman.  That is not enough time IMO to decide about concentrating on one.  You can't even learn whether you have a good time together.

[Gtex]

Gator;

Your point upstream is valid and I concede it,  to a point.   That point is not the sharp shiny one on top of Ambachs' head.   Look at the totality of his enquires, can anyone be this clueless? 

Everything being said to him is available in archive.   While some newbies need to go through the clue bat period of development to grasp the seriousness of the endeavor,  Ambach is yet to reveal humility, humanity or a learning curve (though he does possess more than adequate quantities of conceit).

I am reminded of a friend who wanted to divorce his wife (or return her to the manufacturer as defective).   He felt she was produced without installation of a "learning chip."

Sometimes I think newbies should undergo a trial period and then be put through one of our poles.   Should he go, or not?  Should we continue to help, or not? Ambach could get lucky (the blind squirrel, etc.) but is more likely to embarrass and hurt many.  We should not aid that outcome. 

[Gator]

Ambach could get lucky (the blind squirrel, etc.) but is more likely to embarrass and hurt many.  We should not aid that outcome. 

Although you are a clever man Gtex (and make me laugh), I must question the above statement of yours.  How are we aiding him?  Ambach is the type who listens only to what he wants to hear (i. e., he ignores our advice).

[catzenmouse]

Although you are a clever man Gtex (and make me laugh), I must question the above statement of yours.  How are we aiding him?  Ambach is the type who listens only to what he wants to hear (i. e., he ignores our advice).

Well DUH! What the heck would we know about any of this? We're only married to an FSUW ya know... 

[Gtex]

Archie to your Mehatibel, Gator...

That truly made me cackle, hope you meant "clever" in the Russian sense.

[ScottinCrimea]

I understand now how ambach is successful.  His business is web based, which means it doesn't require face to face contact with his clients.  He is now treating this venture like a web based business and feels he is very successful because he has gained 20 potential clients wives.  In his requirements for meeting, he feels he is in the position to make all the demands and they will all come running, at their expense, to spend that precious hour or two of interview dating, with him.

Of course he will listen to nothing I say, because even though married to a FSUW and having actually lived there, I know nothing and he, through his web-based search, has a much clearer understanding.  We have some of the best experts in this field on this forum but we are all "naive".

How does the song go? "There is none so blind as he who will not see..."

I hope he comes back and gives a report on his adventure.  This should be fun to see.

[Kuna]

ambach,

You still haven't woken up to most men here wanting to help you, and instead you've taken an opposing stance because you know no better.

I feel sorry for you but if you don't listen to advice nothing can help.

Gtex was right... maybe you'll get lucky.  Someone else said you might find your very own little Green Card Girl, that might happen too.

What I know is that a GOOD Ukrainian woman would be ashamed to be with you because you appear to harbour none of the values and qualities they'll appreciate.  Note, I'm talking about GOOD Ukrainian women, not the ones that have learned to scam men like you, from men like you!



p.s.  Your story also isn't holding water... 

Web based retailing business?  Can't spend much time away because you'll lose too much money?  What are you doing with your days?  Packing boxes?  Come on dude,  if you're the filthy rich American dream you want us to believe you are surely you have wharehousing and distribution agreements...  people to wrap the parcels and run to the post office.

[ambach123]

Kuna once again please do not comment about my country or our system; I hope you know more about Ukrainian women than you know about USA.

I am not filthy rich; I do well; there is nothing unusual about it. There are over ten million millionaires; being well to do in USA is no big deal.

Our company uses internet to sell services; we are a service business, we don't sell anything retail.

What I like about my country is that it gives an opportunity to people like me of modest background and no capital to achieve the American dream.

In any case this should be about the message and not the messanger.

With regard to my prospects, my record speaks for itself, those are not very good. Nonetheless I would give it a try. Finding a woman is never difficult, I have not been very lucky to keep them. We all have to bear our crosses.

Having said that, some here like Gator have given good advise, without the malice that you seem to harbor.

[Kuna]

Kuna once again please do not comment about my country or our system; I hope you know more about Ukrainian women more than you know about USA.

I am not filthy rich; I do well; there is nothing unusual about it. There are over ten million millionaires; being well to do in USA is no big deal.

How our company uses internet to sell services, you have no clue and you would not understnd either. We are a service business, we don't sell anything retail.

ambach,

I'm not sure what sort of emotional problems you have because I'm not commenting on your country at all. 

Your story continues to crumble though...  now you have a web based services business that requires you to be chained to a desk in the USA or you'll lose money?  Come on dude...  get the story straight.  Are you as visionary as you claim to be or are you making it up as you go?


As for me understanding UW - that has something to do with blood, and that gives me an advantage you'll never have.

I've already taken my journey and found what I wanted.  You've not even left home yet.  Try to only debate the advice you're getting after you have even the slightest idea on what you're talking about...  until then keep dreamin'!


Anyway,  enough of all of that, we're here to help you...

So tell us, you're a self proclaimed relationship (and dating) dud at home, "What makes you think a UW will tolerate you any more than a AW would?"

[Ooooops]

They will never not once insinuate on going shopping or order the lobster.

Why can't she order the lobster?   Oh, that's right, because he still has 19 dates to feed in the next few days!   

[ambach123]

Sorry Oops, the advise given by Jack Bragg on this very board is to meet them for coffee first and not dinner.

By the way if you look at the archives, you will see his suggestion that one should meet with a minimum of 15 women.

Why do I believe him? He seems to have been around a long time and sure knows more than most people here. I don't know the guy.

[Ooooops]

Sorry Oops, the advise given by Jack Bragg on this very board is to meet them for coffee first and not dinner.

I would say it's a good advice if you meet a girl next door.   Not sure how it works across the globe, especially when some girls have to ride a train for many hours just to join this dating line...   

[ScottinCrimea]

Why do I believe him? He seems to have been around a long time and sure knows more than most people here. I don't know the guy.

So you've found a few posts where Jack seems to offer an opinion that agrees with what you have already decided, discounting any other advice that doesn't fit your preconceived ideas.  Based on this, you are confident that he knows more than most here, even though, by your own admission, you don't even know the guy. This makes about as much sense as everything else you have posted.

I would love for Jack to come on this thread and say what he really thinks about your intentions and attitudes.  I suspect he would carve you a new one, just like what you are bound to encounter on your trip.

Hold tight to your money while there, because the best success you can possibly hope for is to come back with most of it intact, since it seems to be your sole asset and your best (only?) friend.

[steviej]

Well, Mr. ambach123 , I still can't figure out anything positive about why you even want to go, and why you would ever want to get married anyway. What do you want? Maybe you ought to sort that out first. I mean, the idea of being stingy at dinner with a girl who has spent her own little money on a train ride for several hours to meet you ... Man, that is repulsive. I'd say, "Honey, you can have all the lobster you want!" Have some respect, man. These are wonderful ladies. Why are you going? You shouldn't go. Truthfully, you need therapy first. You need to go to a good therapist and sort a lot of things out. Maybe you want a woman to be in your bed and clean your house, but these ladies want and deserve a husband, a relationship, love, and a happy marriage. You're just not ready for any of that.

[Makkin]

  10 million millionaires???? I doubt that is a fact but who knows. How can this be proven? I last heard that the USA had 265,000 actual millionaires and not 10,000,000.

  Kuna has never been one to attack countries except on exact issues as far as I can remember. I see him as even-handed on that topic and fair nuff.

  Jack has a lot of experience and would probably help you but his actual experience like so many here is probably non-transferable. It's like trying to teach you how to go fishing without bait or similar but eventually YOUR experience will teach you if your in the venture long enough???

Makkin

[sensei]

Hi all,
Time for me to de-lurk. Work have been keeping me busy for the last 8 months and it's been so long since I last posted on a forum board.

Nonetheless, I don't know anything about your culture or you. I will never offer you any criticism about you or your country.

I don't know how much you know about my country. But I would suggest you refrain from criticizing my country or me.

Ambach, how did you know so much about FSUW being more materialistic? How much did you know about their country?

Shouldn't you be refrained from not knowing anything about FSUW's country?

Wouldn't it be fair to say that you have no knowledge or understanding of FSUW's culture or customs?

It is my observation that Ukrainian women are more materialistic than AW, if someone wants to believe otherwise, I am fine with that.

And it is my observation that the AW in Beverly Hills CA, Manhattan NYC, Washington DC, and South Beach FL are more materialistic and more spoiled than FSUW.

Please help us understand how or what your observation was based on. Using what evidence or data? I'm trying to understand how your observation came to that conclusion. I am going to have to assume that you were under the impression that Kiev, being a Westernized city and all, had a lot of beautiful women who were high maintenance and had expensive tastes. Correct?

The very first question they ask, "What do you do? " That is before any information is provided to them other than age, height and weight. I don't see anything wrong with that, but that is just a fact.

It is a relevant question, really. Nothing wrong with that. A lady is curious about a foreigner's occupation. 

A man who has a good job security, stability, and basic financial support can be considered as a worthy and reliable provider. Those are an example of qualities that FSUW would look for in a man.

With regard to my intellectual capacity, you have no clue who I am; may be in your culture you make assumptions, in my culture you don't.

Intellectual capacity? You are really being arrogant in that statement. Didn't you make an assumption by stating that FSUW are more materialistic than Western women?
And wouldn't it be fair to say that you have no clue who the ladies in Ukraine or Russia are?
 

We have very high regard in our culture for self made people, whether your culture does or does not, I don't care and I don't care to know either.

And I do like my country, and my culture very much, it has rewarded me very handsomely.

As a fellow American, I have to admit that I have no respect for people like you because your statement displayed an arrogant tone with an obnoxious attitude of "I am successful than you". You like to draw attention to yourself by telling everybody you are successful. Making Ukrainians feel inferior by boasting your so-called success story may draw negative reactions or attitudes in Ukraine. 

Additional comments and questions...

How knowledgeable are you about Ukraine's current infrastructure and economy?

Why did you pick Kiev? Why not travel to Lviv? Poltava, Crimea, or Donetsk?

If you hadn't been outside of Kiev yet, then you have no idea what life is like for the Ukrainians. What I am trying to say is that life in that country is very hard for people who live in not just Kiev, but also villages and small towns throughout Ukraine. Your statement of "FSUW are materialistic" tells me that you failed to take into consideration of Ukraine's poor infrastructure and economy.

[Shadow]

Sorry Oops, the advise given by Jack Bragg on this very board is to meet them for coffee first and not dinner.

By the way if you look at the archives, you will see his suggestion that one should meet with a minimum of 15 women.

Why do I believe him? He seems to have been around a long time and sure knows more than most people here. I don't know the guy.

Jack Bragg is also not ready to be married again...and honest about it.
If you check the archives, you will see more suggestions of meeting one woman than meeting 15, and most suggestions tell you to spent significant time together before starting a K1.
You are telling yourself that you do not have problems in meeting women, but in keeping them. Perhaps you should first think of the source of those problems before continuing to meet.
Unless your aim is to flash a young hot woman with your money and get her in to your 'American dream' before she realizes what she gets in to...

[Ronnie]

Look guys, we're like a bunch of city slickers standing around the water cooler arguing about what color horses are - each convinced that he's seen more of them than the others so he can be the ultimate authority.

The FSUWs I met, who were looking for foreign husbands we probably more material-seeking than their FSU sisters and friends who were not looking for foreign husbands.

My AW wife often repeated to me so line her mother told her growing up, "It's just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as a poor one."  Of course women are interested in material comfort...regardless of nationality.  The real issue is whether they are willing to be involved in a loveless marriage so she can "dress up all in lace and go in style" (thank you, Glenn Frye).

I know it's whistling in the wind when we're dealing with women over 25 or 30 but why not just find a good man who's honest, hard-working and treats you like you are gold for him?  If you, RW, have any wit and creativity, you can boost him to heights of success he may not have reached without you.   Now, wouldn't that be something to take pride in and a greater expression of his love for you and yours for him? 


 

[Lily]

I know it's whistling in the wind when we're dealing with women over 25 or 30 but why not just find a good man who's honest, hard-working and treats you like you are gold for him?  If you, RW, have any wit and creativity, you can boost him to heights of success he may not have reached without you.   Now, wouldn't that be something to take pride in and a greater expression of his love for you and yours for him? 

Why it's whistling in the wind Ronnie? That's exactly what a good woman thinks when marrying her beloved man! A good woman may be able to add her qualities and attributed to his, and together they may form a wonderful tandem, be it in business or social life.

Well said, Ronnie 

[krimster]

What ?  Are FSU women more "this or that", is it OK to do "this or that", should I go "here or there".  Instead of being over there, you're over here asking pointless questions on your PC.  Too afraid of the water to even stick your toe in.

[removed]

It's down right trivial these days to book a ticket and arrange to rent an apartment in Ukraine.  Not much more complicated than ordering a book from Amazon.  Just go, get the experience first hand.  However, I suspect this advice will fall on deaf ears.  Not because my words are untrue, but those who would listen are either too lazy or lack courage and the faith in their own ability, perhaps for good reason.  You know your limitations better than the rest of us.  If you can't even manage this part without a lot of "hand-holding" from someone, you'll definitely have problems with the rest of the adventure.

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[viking]

Krimster

Your profile says you have not taken one trip yet. So..are you in the losers category as well?

[krimster]

Viking, haven't updated my profile, my bad
first trip in '96,  been to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Orenburg, Vladivostok, and places you've never heard of...
In Ukraine been from Lviv to Theodosia, lived three years in Sevastopol
Drove a car from kyiv to Sevastopol twice
Married 9 years to a RW woman from Sevastopol, we have two children
My wife is currently in her junior year in college, she will graduate with a nursing degree

Most of what I've written here is known by people who post on this board, Dan, for instance, in case you assume I'm a poseur
Still, I consider what I've done to NOT be a big deal, doing my taxes every year is MUCH harder and a whole lot less fun