Correspondence w/gal from Samara

[BC]

double the bets anyone?

oops.. thought this was a pm..

[twyrick]

Ah!  Thanks for the link to those letters.
I hadn't found those particular ones before - but guess what?
That first scam letter reads practically identically to the first one I got, until the very last paragraph.  (In the scam letter on the web site, she obviously met through an agency, so that part had to be edited to reflect the fact that she contacted me first from a personals ad.)

This part is word-for-word what I was sent:

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I live modestly, in an apartment, with a modest house interior, but it does not confuse me, I do not search for the big riches! From my window very beautiful kind which leaves on small park. In the summer here it is very beautiful, especially if in the evening when you go on walk! Tell to me, please, about a place in which you live??? What beautiful places, or beautiful architecture at you is? Usually every morning I leave on to run, that my figure was in the form of! It is very important for the girl, and you look behind the figure? :-) I was never married, but as is ready to marry the correct person! I Hope the good wife but as I shall be convinced of it! My mum is very good cook, it knows that such kitchen, for sure. And consequently since the early childhood I with pleasure helped it to prepare for various dishes! It has learned me to prepare for very tasty dishes, and can be, you will feel it!!! To me it is very pleasant, that now we can communicate more close, and there is an every prospect to study each other better!
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So yeah, if she really gives me flight information and says she'll show up, I'll be there to wait for her.  But I'd place my money on getting that request for a Western Union wire transfer instead!

- Tom

I often see the 'blocked call' id when someone calls from a mobile phone and has the number sending feature turned off.  Internet calls usually shows some odd prefix within the states or country where you receive the call.

Cute girl.

Did a google search for some of the gramatically incorrect phrases and came up with this:

http://stop-scammers.com/letter(s)_from1041_to_report1.asp

Guess someone else using the same translation software could produce the same phrase..

Sound familiar?

[Michelangelo]

Ah!  Thanks for the link to those letters.

That first scam letter reads practically identically to the first one I got...

So yeah, if she really gives me flight information and says she'll show up, I'll be there to wait for her.  But I'd place my money on getting that request for a Western Union wire transfer instead!

[/quote]Darn  I was hoping this beautiful blond was about to enter your life...  Guess not...

[Photo Guy]

This is real life -not a poker game.
Her bad English doesn't mean much. Asking for a phone number that she already has, doesn't make much sense, even for a scammer. Maybe she's ditsy.

My next message to her would be:
'Darling I am looking forward to meeting you face to face.
Please tell me all about the type of visa that you were able to get. I know it is difficult to get a visa to the US.
I am very interested in knowing what kind of visa you are using. Tourist visa? Business visa? I wait impatiently for your next message or phone call.'

It seems as though her next message to you will be a request for cash. If she asks for cash without telling you about her visa, I'd be tempted to go with groov's idea about sending her on a wild goose chase to get(not) the money.
For plane fare, tell her you will reimburse her when she arrives.

BC's link to those letters is interesting. Letter number 6 is very disturbing and made worse by the bad English. Everyone here at RWD should read that letter.  Doug

[Bruno]

So yeah, if she really gives me flight information and says she'll show up, I'll be there to wait for her. But I'd place my money on getting that request for a Western Union wire transfer instead!

- Tom

Tom,

In a few day, you will know if these woman is a scammer of not... until this, if i was you, i relax and drink a good beer...

Since USA is very big, i don't advice you to wait her ar airport before be sure... maybe you life several hundred kilometer from the airport... but since you have the data of the flight, you can always phone the flight compagny and ask if you lady have reserved a seat on these plane...

It is normal to be suspicious but in some limit... of course, the first ask of money will be the sign of scam but until now, she have no yet scam you... you can not accuse someone without evidence... so, wait and see... and pay nothing before meeting...

And next time, when she phone you, reply... and ask some question ( like about visa )... it is more difficult to lie during a phone conversation that by e-mail...

[jb]

Right now it's 10:1 on the scam side, and no one is placing a single bet on her actually arriving at a USA POE.

It don't look good for the home team...

[BC]

yeah jb, the 'too good to be true' factor kicks in..

subconciously was hoping for a bit more though.. guess things are getting a bit mor sophisticated.

[Michelangelo]

yeah jb, the 'too good to be true' factor kicks in..

subconciously was hoping for a bit more though.. guess things are getting a bit mor sophisticated.

Yep, miracles do happen...

[BC]

agree Michael.. but only in person.

[Michelangelo]

agree Michael.. but only in person.

LOL

[jb]

Contrary to what some might think, I don't find this thread amusing.  If my post above gave that impression, I apologise.

What I surmise from what I've read here is that twyrick, (Tom), is the potential victum of no less than a criminal conspiracy designed to defraud him of hard earned dollars.  This is not a laughing matter.  

What I find even less amusing are the posts from what I view as basically "One Trick Magicians", men who have only very limited experience with Russians of any sort.  Referring to me as "a sad tired old man", or to the object of the scam as  a "real dipstick!" may pump up your ego for the moment, but it doesn't give Tom a clue about what is happening in his real world.

To those of you commenting on this situation who have only ever met one RW in your life, or made a single week long visit to the FSU, I suggest you dial down the rhetoric a notch or two.  It does no one any good and sheds no light on the topic.

[Bruno]

Right now it's 10:1 on the scam side, and no one is placing a single bet on her actually arriving at a USA POE.

It don't look good for the home team...

Ok,... if nothing change before monday ( 12/09 ), i bet 10$ that she will visit America... not sure that she will visit our "Tom"... but since her trip was planned with or without Tom, i have not a big risk ...

Of course, all this is good if Tom say the true... strange that someone who is actif in the domain of computer don't know how correctly read header from e-mail... my own study in informatica at university are from 1986 and i remember it... it is the problem with forum, it is difficult to see if the story related is true or from some imagination...

Tom, can you ask her when she have take the last photo you have publish and otional, ask what model of camera used... No, i am not joking... again, photo can give a lot of information... a little like e-mail... the photo was taking the 16/07/2005 at 12u54 with a pentax optio S30 ( don't need to start a reply about quality from camera  ), laded on computer with the program "ACD system imaging"... and a lot of other info like focus, iso, timing, ...

Yes, Tom, i am myself a little parano... and i make myself a lot of control... not for accuse someone specialy but for know the true... i don't think that your lady is a usual scammer... but i fear that she can be like my ex-wife, a visa whore... and for this, my knowledge in technic cannot help... She is beautiful and sexy, she visit you in USA ( maybe )... if in the begin of the meeting, she is able to bring you in her bed, you will be like all the men and think with the little head... and she have find the perfect victim...

Severa people here call her a scammer but with a scammer, you can only loose some little money... imagine that you marry her, you support her during two year, she receive her green card and adios... how much time loosing and how much money...

Again, i don't think that she is a scammer but if you have some doubt, cancel all... like me, you are around the same age ( not old but the time is running ), not rich... we cannot anymore take the risk of some misluck... if you have doubt, choice a other woman, you have enough alone on all the planet...

[Michelangelo]

Contrary to what some might think, I don't find this thread amusing.  If my post above gave that impression, I apologise.

What I surmise from what I've read here is that twyrick, (Tom), is the potential victum of no less than a criminal conspiracy designed to defraud him of hard earned dollars.  This is not a laughing matter.  

I think it's ok.  No money has been asked for and Tom knows from our comments not to give her a cent.  I think the discussion is good because the nature of the letters is so common that new guys need to hear it here so they will recognize it when they get such letters in the future....
michael (3 years experience; many FSU girls; 9 trips to FSU)

[Bruno]

What I find even less amusing are the posts from what I view as basically "One Trick Magicians", men who have only very limited experience with Russians of any sort. Referring to me as "a sad tired old man", or to the object of the scam as a "real dipstick!" may pump up your ego for the moment, but it doesn't give Tom a clue about what is happening in his real world.

Fully agree with you JB...

Tom don't know where he have put his foot... and he is always on the influence of his previous misluck ( ex-wife )... he is not ready and weak for so process...

I am enough new on forum but generaly, people join forum when it is almost too late of when bad experience have already happen... Several year ago, when i have start my relation with my ex-wife, i have think that i know all... now, i know that in these time, i have know nothing... now, i try help other but i learn a lot too... if i have know  something like RWD before my first marriage, certainly i have never married and spare 5 year of my life...

The last 7 year, i have learn with the method "try and test"... a good method but very expensive ad so much time loosing... sharing experience here help me a lot... my actual relation is the result of RWD and some member from here...

Advice from several agency are BS... here, you can read the reality... sometime beautiful story but sometime the hard world...

About help Tom... until we know all the detail, it is really difficult... and it seem that himself don't know all the details... he have fall in the process of "foreign bride" without asking it ( he was searching localy )...

The only one who can help Tom now is Tom himself... he need learn the good and the bad of all this process... know what he wish really... what are his expectation in the life... he have recently close a chapter from the book of his life and himself only can find the canvas from the next chapter...


Edit : michael (3 years experience; many FSU girls; 9 trips to FSU)

Bruno, 7 year experience, 5 year married to russian woman, one year fiance to Ukrainian woman, several FSU woman, don't count anymore trip to FSU, owner of a free personals ads site, specialist in misluck relation :? Successful in building 3 relation the last year ( 10 month )  but not yet able to find the right woman for himself  ...

So, Tom will be able to know who i am !!!

[twyrick]

Ok, a few things here:

1.  I *can* figure out an email header.  In this case, though, it didn't really seem very useful.  The originating IP ended up belonging to a pool of IPs owned by "RuSat, Inc." in Moscow.  I wasn't real familiar with how the "mail.ru" service worked, but thought it was possibly more relevant that my mail was going through their service, with a return address ending in list.ru.

2. I'm not really too worried about any of this. Rather, I just feel like I can possibly help out some other people by sharing the details of my story as it progresses.  (And if, by chance, she really does show up in the USA - that's fine too!  As I told her in my emails, I'd be happy to be friends with her while she's here and show her around some of the local tourist attractions.)

3.  One nice thing for me is, I already live very close to a major airport.  (I'm only about 2 miles away from it!)  So if, worst case, she has me drive out there and then doesn't show up - it's really not a big issue for me.)

In a few day, you will know if these woman is a scammer of not... until this, if i was you, i relax and drink a good beer...

Since USA is very big, i don't advice you to wait her ar airport before be sure... maybe you life several hundred kilometer from the airport... but since you have the data of the flight, you can always phone the flight compagny and ask if you lady have reserved a seat on these plane...

It is normal to be suspicious but in some limit... of course, the first ask of money will be the sign of scam but until now, she have no yet scam you... you can not accuse someone without evidence... so, wait and see... and pay nothing before meeting...

And next time, when she phone you, reply... and ask some question ( like about visa )... it is more difficult to lie during a phone conversation that by e-mail...

[Bruno]

At least :GOOD LUCK

[Seekandfind]

As Bruno said, think with your big head, but don't be afraid to let the little head have some fun if your girl seems willing. Russian women are definitely NOT puritans. Even religious women can be passionate and any woman whose goal is to find a husband is also looking for a man who she likes to have sex with.

and for that fun with a boy who has not money to go to Ukraina girl would come across an ocean and through barriers of visas to the USA:D

Ah! I like such stories. It's much more better than those ones which  JB:X scares me with
[/quote]
Elena, you know it's true. Russian women are very romantic and if she believes she has found her prince across the ocean, then she will do everything to be with him.

 

 
[/quote] Your stupidity just keeps amazing me.......omg.

[jb]

Elen,

You go, girl~! :)

[Michelangelo]

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[Michelangelo]

What I find even less amusing are the posts from what I view as basically "One Trick Magicians", men who have only very limited experience with Russians of any sort. Referring to me as "a sad tired old man", or to the object of the scam as a "real dipstick!" may pump up your ego for the moment, but it doesn't give Tom a clue about what is happening in his real world.

michael (3 years experience; many FSU girls; 9 trips to FSU)

Bruno, 7 year experience, 5 year married to russian woman, one year fiance to Ukrainian woman, several FSU woman, don't count anymore trip to FSU, owner of a free personals ads site, specialist in misluck relation :? Successful in building 3 relation the last year ( 10 month ) but not yet able to find the right woman for himself ..[/quote]WEll, I was just trying to saY I am a not one of JB's One Trick guys  

But when I think of it, experience only counts if you learn from it.  Even this year, I made a mistake by holding onto a girl who was likey after ONLY my money too long....but I did that because I dumped the girl I posted about over in the thread "Driver and Interpreter in Moscow"

too soon, and did not want to repeat that mistake.  Experience does tell me that I should make myself  happy, and leave no stone unturned.  I'll go with my mind, yes...but with my heart, too.

And so should Tom.

[jb]

No, Michael,

You were not included in my collection of "One Trick Magicians".  There were a couple of other posters to the thread who aren't smart enough to know what they don't know.

[Michelangelo]

This is true....

[twyrick]

Ok, for the sake of anyone placing bets if nothing else, here's the final answer.  It *was* a scam!

Here is her last email to me, that I received earlier today:

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Good morning my dear Tom!
I called to you, but unfortunately could not phone, I think that tomorrow I shall call to you.
 Yesterday I have received the visa. Now I have the complete
set of documents for flight in the USA, but I have troubles with customs
house. As I have received the tourist visa for travel I need to have
the return ticket! I have gone to lear cost of the ticket of the plane,
 but to me have told that I cannot fly in the USA because I should have
with myself 1000 $ on pocket expenses. This money is necessary for having
only with itself and only so I can pass through customs house. It is a
pity to me to inform you, but because of this problem my flight in the
USA can not take place. All problem in that that after purchase of the
ticket of the plane also I shall have with myself only 620 $ and
through customs house it is necessary for me for transition more 380 $.
 I need in your advice. I can fly in the USA only if I shall have
with myself 1000 $. After purchase of the ticket at me remain 620 $,
but I shall require still in 380 $. I tried to find money, but all
efforts were ineffectual. It is a pity to me to inform you about it,
but I cannot fly in the USA without your help. To fly in the USA to me
it is necessary more 380 $ and I do not know that to do now? Whether I
do not know you can help me whether or not, but it only your decision.
If you can help me I canfly to you and I shall return your expenses
back. I should have this money only with myself and if you can help me
as soon as we shall meet I shall return this money. Please write to
me what to do in this situation.
I could not provide all nuances of my flight in the USA,
but I hope, that have not changed your plans. You should not help me
but as I have already told to you, I can fly in the USA only if you
can help with this problem. I do not know what to do, but inform that
to me to do in this situation. If you cannot help me I shall be to go
home. At the airport there is branch Western Union and if you can help
me I can receive money very quickly and then I can buy the ticket of
the plane. Then I shall give the full information of my flight.

If you can help me, that send 380 $ to me through the Western Union
and I can receive money during short time. As in department Western
union to me have informed saite www.westernunion.com

For send money through Western Union you will need know my full name:

Last name and First name - LOSKUTOVA EVGENIYA
adress:
Russia,
Moskowskaya Oblast ',
Moscow, the Airport "Sheremetyevo"
141425
For reception of money I will need know your full name,
and MTCN of remittance.
Under first your requirement I can make a copy of the visa and send
it to you. To me very much sorry for this problem! I do not know
what to do now! :-(
I did{made} all for our meeting, but one I could not overcome it.
Please write to me now, I wait for your answer!

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And here is the supposed visa document she sent with it.

[groovlstk]

She (or he) is well-versed in WU protocal, this is someone who's been doing this for awhile, and probably with some success.

In an early post, you mention that she ignored the fact that you'd sent her your phone # in a previous email and asked for it again. This person is probably writing to dozens of men or more, and so she isn't able to keep her marks straight. A good scammer will use pre-written email templates which they will customize by inserting your name here and there. The fun is trying to knock them off script by forcing them away from their templates. They'll put the time and effort into it if they think you're naive enough.

At the very least, you should notify the Lavalife staff of what happened so they can delete her account. You might save some guys from being fleeced, although no doubt she'll be back under a new identity.

[Michelangelo]

Poor thing!  She so much wanted to see you, and now she can't

Guys, shall we take up a collection for her?  

I also noticed that her use of the English language improved in this last email...

So much for miracles