Russia is at it again!

[Faux Pas]

BC,

I am in no way, shape or fashion an economist but I understand the fundamentals. And I did stay at a Holiday Inn express last night.

[Faux Pas]

As I see it, WTO imposes a number of mutual rules and limitations on the principles of trade between its members, including but not limited to: trade policies, product standards, customs, investment, price formation, IP rights etc.

For Russia, the benefits of participation in WTO would be having equal rights in the formulation of these rules and an opportunity to push its strategic interests within these rules.  As a result - more transparency, more predictability, less discrimination in trade with WTO members.  

However, would Russia really be happy to play by the rules?  I highly doubt that.  It looks like for Russia, being outside the system of rules and limitations is much more beneficial, all WTO perks notwithstanding.  No limitations on protectionist policies; freedom to impose draconian taxes on certain imports; no standards, no IP rights protection, no licensing control, freedom in setting damping prices, etc.  Moreover, WTO membership would push Russian economics to enforce greater internal transparency and legalization, which, although declared as an immediate goal by the government, is hardly welcomed by all the key players.  

Exactly and well stated. Up to this point in time Russia hasn't been willing to open up these areas of it's government and economy. Is it willing? I say no with current rulers in place

[BC]

WTO economics aside, is this organization not being used now as a political tool?  Maybe reluctance lies therein.

Faux,

Nothing wrong with Holiday Inn express.. they usually have great internet along with a decent price.  Better than fancier with crappy internet.  Breakfast quite ok too.

[msmoby_ru]

First, I did not accuse anyone not agreeing... I said that somebody trusts too much pro-Bush propaganda. Please show me my post with "Bush supporter"

Same thing, Olga - you're clearly saying I ( or others cannot diseminate between valid data and propaganda...  please look in the mirror... you you will find the culprit ...

Speaking personally, I don't just rely on US sources .. again, you forget that - until two days ago I lived amongst Georgians, Russians , Ukrainains, Pontian Russian Speakers, etc... We enjoy lively debate , had access to 50+ Ru, UA and Georgian channels - in addition to Turkish, UK, Cypriot and other EU sourced channels-and 500+ Arab, and Farsi ones, too...

I had foretold that Russia would use Georgia to make a point... to simply blame the Georgian govt is either ignorance or verging on the "wicked"... Russia provoked this..  for a long time it has been behaving VERY badly to Georgians in Russia - Georgians have been singled out for repatriation and trade embargoes on wine and water.

So.. if you'll excuse me, I think I had rather more access to alternative footage and viewpoints than you... AND in light of my thinking that Abkhazia and S.Ossetia should be parted from Georgia, your statement is even more silly...... ..possibly verging on the insulting... but hey, I get accused of that all the time !!

2/ The ODIHR has observed a number of elections in Russia, including the 2003 parliamentary election, the 2000 presidential election, the 1999 parliamentary election, the 1996 presidential election, and the 1995 parliamentary election. Parliamentary Assembly President Goran Lennmarker did not say that OSCE was refused by Russia in observing the election in 2007 http://www.oscepa.org/News/Media/206-OSCE%20Parliamentary%20Assembly%20to%20observe%20elections%20in%20Russia

and the most recent ones...? come on Olga, it is clear that Russia has been withdrawing into it's shell for some time...

And please, don't try to accuse me of protecting the idea of democracy in Russia, because in my posts even on different forums I always expressed my opinion that the democracy in Russia exists only as a word 

Fine, so you'll agree that REAL democracies don't control the media in the way it is done in Russia - so to (rightly) critiscise Georgia and ask us to accept the fibs and propaganada of Russia Today is a bit rich, don't you think ?!!

Right now I say that somebody can not see a beam in his own eye...

How true - as I said when you look in the mirror...

Today you changed one of your links in your previous post . So, it is a good lesson for me next time not to trust so much and just make a whole quote.

Utter twaddle.... I altered a sp mistake... Olga, you will have to better to "discredit" an "opponent" ( is this a Russian way ?!) .. please start by actually answering all the points I raised and you overlooked...

I think when Georgia declared its war against South Ossetia it was a war but not an armed conflict anymore. Your mileage may vary

What has this got to do with any of my points? We BOTH know that Russian "peace-keepers" were shooting down Georgian drones and stopping shipping - let alone training and supplying the secessionists with sophisticted weaponry in Abkhazia and S.Ossetia, and that there wasn't peace before August... Please remember, I have repeatedly said that what the Georgian Govt. did was not wise... in fact time will show they played into Russia's hands.

I also already posted information that according to polls conducted recently by the independent Democratic Initiatives Foundation in Kiev, 59 percent of Ukrainians would vote against joining NATO, up from 53 percent last December, while 22 percent would vote in favor, down from 32 percent.
http://www.iht.com/articl...008/06/16/europe/nato.php

Olga, how often do you GO to Ukraine..? I am friends with journalists who risk their lives reporting the *truth* .. ( they are ethnic Russians) there is so much "interference" from Russia and money from Oligarths "influencing" people it is hard to know who to believe..  Let's say that when the parties of the President and PM vote together - you KNOW that the Party of Regions ( wanting Russian ties strengthened ) won't win .... the Nato vote would go the same way.

Russia knows the only way to control Ukraine is to SPLIT in on ethnic grounds..

BTW.. please tell me which nation's president sought to influence Ukrainian voters by supporting a candidate in an election and ASKING it's voters to vote for that candidate?! ... Western nations simply don't DO this..

The withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia has been completed in line with the plan aimed at settling the conflict in South Ossetia, according to military officials. The pact, worked out by the Russian and French presidents, allows peacekeepers to provide additional security measures in the conflict zone. http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29399

now you simply demonstrate your inability to view all media viewpoints - the French are hopping mad as they thought they had brokered a fair cease-fire and Russia has broken it's terms..

Sorry Olga, but Russia Today is now a propaganda channel - I have watched it change since just before Kosovo - it is not capable of seeing all viewpoints and seeks out western politicians and "experts" who are not mainstream to demonstrate they are "in the right"

The briefings of the Russian military keep tripping themselves up... especially concerning the port of  Poti where they destroyed shipping and remain in the down - dug in - not leaving !

[Faux Pas]

WTO economics aside, is this organization not being used now as a political tool?  Maybe reluctance lies therein.

Faux,

Nothing wrong with Holiday Inn express.. they usually have great internet along with a decent price.  Better than fancier with crappy internet.  Breakfast quite ok too.

Actually it is not so much as a political tool as it is an organization of protectionist. A club of "elitists " among the who's who of industrialized nations whose interest is not politics, but securing investment. They could careless who's politics run a country as long as their investments are safe. The World Bank is the central entity of WTO

[BC]

Actually it is not so much as a political tool as it is an organization of protectionist. A club of "elitists " among the who's who of industrialized nations whose interest is not politics, but securing investment. They could careless who's politics run a country as long as their investments are safe. The World Bank is the central entity of WTO

In that case I guess talks about excluding RU from WTO is all bs, or at the most sword rattling from some members.

[OlgaH]

Same thing, Olga - you're clearly saying I ( or others cannot diseminate between valid data and propaganda...  please look in the mirror... you you will find the culprit ...

I again ask you to show me the post where I exactly said you or others cannot diseminate between valid data and propaganda.

I think I had rather more access to alternative footage and viewpoints than you... AND in light of my thinking that Abkhazia and S.Ossetia should be parted from Georgia, your statement is even more silly...... ..possibly verging on the insulting... but hey, I get accused of that all the time !!
and the most recent ones...? come on Olga, it is clear that Russia has been withdrawing into it's shell for some time...

You can think what you want, and I also have a right and reasons to doubt your sources. Your comment about my statement I consider as rude

Fine, so you'll agree that REAL democracies don't control the media in the way it is done in Russia - so to (rightly) critiscise Georgia and ask us to accept the fibs and propaganada of Russia Today is a bit rich, don't you think ?!!

We were talking about Georgia. So before to criticize Russian "democracy" and protect the Georgian "democracy" read the report by OSCE that I have posted - to see a beam...   

Utter twaddle.... I altered a sp mistake... Olga, you will have to better to "discredit" an "opponent" ( is this a Russian way ?!) .. please start by actually answering all the points I raised and you overlooked...

You did not write that it was your sp mistake. You just quietly changed your post and added the link that I have posted and after you wrote

3/ Your reply included one of the links *I* used to "back up your point of view" !!

Sorry, but you has discredited yourself.

now you simply demonstrate your inability to view all media viewpoints

Now I'm not going to answer on your posts anymore. Feel free to post about me everything what you think. I don't care because you with your personal statements about all my mental  faculties  show your  inability.

[msmoby_ru]

I again ask you to show me the post where I exactly said you or others cannot diseminate between valid data and propaganda.

Tut, tut Olga, this is the FIRST TIME you are asking me this.. you asked me last time "Please show me my post with "Bush supporter" ... kindly don't attempt to twist what is being said

You AGAIN are avoiding answering the question - you made a statement asserting that anyone differing from your viewpoint believed Bush propaganda - now THAT was "insulting" and downright silly - you STILL didn't retract...

You can think what you want, and I also have a right and reasons to doubt your sources. Your comment about my statement I consider as rude

So let's get this right ... you would have us believe that Arab, Chinese, Farsi,  Greek, Cypriot TV channels - many of which are normally sympathetic to Russia - are now sources NOT to be trusted... ? ;-0

...and that the French - who negotiated the cease-fire - and RARELY agree with American interference in Europe, are suddenly "puppets" of the US ?

We were talking about Georgia. So before to criticize Russian "democracy" and protect the Georgian "democracy" read the report by OSCE that I have posted - to see a beam...   

Olga, by your own words, Russia is not a democracy, and Georgia - whilst not perfect - *IS* ... I read the OSCE reports and even posted it BEFORE you ( are you now saying I posted this in an EDIT? ..if so I think we can possibly ask a moderator to slove your laughable accusation I'd changed my post - other than to correct a sp mistake )

You are STILL missing the irony that Russia tried to restrict the OSCE, whilst Georgia didn't - yet you quote a critical report on Georgia

You did not write that it was your sp mistake. You just quietly changed your post and added the link that I have posted and after you wrote

Sorry, but you has discredited yourself.

Dear Olga, you are just wrong ... might I suggest you ask Dan if there is a way to prove this....?

Now I'm not going to answer on your posts anymore. Feel free to post about me everything what you think. I don't care because you with your personal statements about all my mental  faculties  show your  inability.

Oh Olga, you are just being overly sensitive, now.  I can't MAKE you respond, and naturally I now think you can't respond, because you have no answer you the points I've made and you've tried to avoid.

One more time.. I think that Georgia should let the breakaway "republics" go and AFTER a time for Georgia to show it is a mature democracy - it should be offered NATO memebership - if it asks....

It is NOT up to Russia to TELL states or threaten if they chose to join.

Kindly remember that just because I have a differing viewpoint than you, it doesn't mean we have to be "enemies" ... it was your comment about believing "Bush propaganda" that started this spat, and you that accused me of inserting links after you had posted..


The first was plain silly and the second is just nonsense... 

I'm sorry you feel I'm being "rude" .. I know you are a lady, and I enjoy your posts .

You are the one that needs to "retract" on both points and I hope you'll not do something childish - like ban me and Veta from your board......she enjoys your forum and is just shy...

Chill out Olga

[LEGAL]

msmoby_ru  A cordial healthy debate is good without the insults. 

Here is Just one example "I hope you'll not do something childish - like ban me and Veta from your board......she enjoys your forum and is just shy...".

  I would like Veta not to be so shy both here and on Olga's board. I would love to here Veta's opinions.

How would you handle the situation if someone was continually insulting Veta.
Thanking you in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.

[OlgaH]

msmoby_ru,

I promise, this is my last answer to you.

Tut, tut Olga, this is the FIRST TIME you are asking me this.. you asked me last time "Please show me my post with "Bush supporter" ... kindly don't attempt to twist what is being said

You AGAIN are avoiding answering the question - you made a statement asserting that anyone differing from your viewpoint believed Bush propaganda - now THAT was "insulting" and downright silly - you STILL didn't retract...
 

Again where is the quote of my post. Right now I see only just the words without any proof.

Yes, I read the Russia Today and other Russian media sources along with foreign sources, because I doubt some Western and European media sources. You wrote that

Sorry Olga, but Russia Today is now a propaganda channel

According to your statement above about "Bush propaganda" I guess I should consider your words about Russia Today and consequently that I more believe my sources  also as insult to me.

your statement is even more silly......

you simply demonstrate your inability

I hope you'll not do something childish

msmoby_ru, if you can not tolerate my posts and answer on my posts without your direct personal insults to me (as I quoted you above) and without modifying your  posts in "partisan" way, just click the button "ignore" and ignore me and my posts.

Thank you so much for your collaboration in the future and your future posts without your personal expressions and opinions about my intellectual faculties and behavior. 

[Shadow]

One more time.. I think that Georgia should let the breakaway "republics" go and AFTER a time for Georgia to show it is a mature democracy - it should be offered NATO memebership - if it asks.... 

I agree, however I hope that NATO will keep its strict policies intact when checking the potential membership of Georgia, and does not let the prospect of irritating Russia prevail.

[msmoby_ru]

msmoby_ru  A cordial healthy debate is good without the insults. 

Here is Just one example "I hope you'll not do something childish - like ban me and Veta from your board......she enjoys your forum and is just shy...".

  I would like Veta not to be so shy both here and on Olga's board. I would love to here Veta's opinions.

How would you handle the situation if someone was continually insulting Veta.
Thanking you in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.

Robert,

I am not trying to offend Olga.. and I don't want to fall out with her ( or you) because of our differing opinions on Georgia... I don't think I have "insulted" her - even though she has as good as called me ( and others) "stupid" for having differing views and insinuated I'm lying about altering posts.



Olga has had three opportunities to retract - having had point by point reasoned responses and I just didn't "let her off the hook" ...


Defending one's wife is quite correct - but please be sure she is in the right before "joining in" !

[msmoby_ru]

msmoby_ru,

I promise, this is my last answer to you.

Well, none of the other recent ones have actually dealt with the responses I made so may be this one will - at last !

Again where is the quote of my post. Right now I see only just the words without any proof.

The proof has been demonstrated to you clearly - and I know you understand English well enough - I see no point in repeating myself and boring members - you COULD try re-reading my replies.... and while you're at it don't try to post that I said things I didn't - nor accuse me of altering posts ...   I think insinuating I'm lying is much more of an "insult" ...   I note you never respond to this..

Yes, I read the Russia Today and other Russian media sources along with foreign sources, because I doubt some Western and European media sources.   

Yes, but you STILL haven't responded to the FACT that the Chinese, Arab, Farsi, and even Chritian Orthodox Greek and Cypriot channels ALSO criticise the Russians for LYING about the withdrawal -  Russian channels and those of us with access to "Ru today" can see that Russia is claiming "complance" with the French - Russian cease-fire agreement....   But that simply isn't true -is it?  ..SO.. WHO are the propagandists ?

You couldn't counter that point -  ...  and I remind you that you used the term "propaganda" first - "insulting" many of us who don't support Bush...

Can we expect a withdrawal - or an apology ?!

msmoby_ru, if you can not tolerate my posts and answer on my posts without your direct personal insults to me (as I quoted you above) and without modifying your  posts in "partisan" way, just click the button "ignore" and ignore me and my posts.


Thank you so much for your collaboration in the future and your future posts without your personal expressions and opinions about my intellectual faculties and behavior. 

[/quote]

Olga:

1/ I like a fair debate and I am happy to chew the fat with you - you are the one who "insulted" many of us ( Bush Statement)  - I won't ingore posts when they contain incorrect statements - which is precisely when I joined in and POINT BY POINT - took you to task - and I note you failed to answer - you only retorts now being I have "insulted" you and I am "lying"... !!

2/ Forth time - I did not alter any post  - other than spelling - and AGAIN - calling me a fibber - is "insulting" !!! Once again, I'm sure this could be verified - so WHY do you persist in making an "ass" of yourself - repeating a lie ?  ... My contention is you know you are losing the debate and have introduced a boring "red herring"

3/ Olga, I don't doubt you intelligence, nor your "wicked" sense of humour - I DO now see you like to hand it out - but can't TAKE IT...   you made some incorrect statements and you just can't / won't see things from another perspective..   

YES, I will be around on this board and hopefully yours and we may disagree - what is important is how we deal with it..

[OlgaH]

she has as good as called me ( and others) "stupid" for having differing views and insinuated I'm lying about altering posts.

where is a quote of my post? otherwise you have said a lie and it can be considered as another lowdown act.

[Mishenka]

The facts remain that Putin acted alone in his decision back in April 08 to invade Georgia today. He had little support back then and still has little support world wide for his invasion. He granted Russian passports to non citizens for his own purposes long before the invasion. As we all know, this was well planned, but for what purpose does he want this land?  Why were Russian tanks and ships stirring months before this invasion as they got into position?  What were his true reasons?  He has no support from Central Asian FSU countries. Nor does he has support from any Former Soviet countries. Yet he took on this monster knowing the consequences of isolating Russia, devaluing the Ruble, Investors pulling out of Russian investments, and in effect loosing Russian position in the G8 now to be the G 7 as well as the WTO, which will not happen now. As well as Space station and some military benefits. There was a lot to loose and yet he chose to continue this madness.  The world can not accept how Russia just took Georgian land and call it Russian again after 18 years. I guess 1 million barels of Caspian crude oil was all Putin could see. 4 Pipelines that he plans to divert from Europe into Russian control and make more profits for himself. Blinded by his greed he chose to cut off Russia from the free world.  Now that's a serious flaw in judgement, especially for ex KGB.   The future of Russia's economy under Putin is looking rather dim.  The Eu can easily obtain oil from other sources. Cut off the oil and Gas sales from Gazprom, you cut off Rubles to Putin's Russian Bank and it will fail quickly.   Imagine the DUMA voted already to take s. Ossetia, etc, as Russian property? Amazing.  Putin and his men are not capable of telling the truth.  The world sees right through the propaganda machine. The only ones buying in are old school Russians that want the USSR to be born again.  Sadly this is a large number of misinformed day dreamers. The FSU countries have rejected this idea publically and will fight to keep it from becoming a reality. Especially Central Asian FSU countries disagree with this invasion.   

[OlgaH]

Why were Russian tanks and ships stirring months before this invasion as they got into position?  What were his true reasons? 

Mishenka,

Let me remind you that Russia has been in South Ossetia and has all rights to be in South Ossetia since the time when Dagomys Agreements was signed. In 2006 when Russia was going to pull it army from South Ossetia, the President of South Ossetia asked Russia don't leave his nation alone. And he was right. Let me also remind that during long time Russia was against South Ossetia and Abkhazia 's independence till Georgia's aggression.

RT: Immediately after Kosovo’s independence was recognised, Moscow said this could become a precedent for South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Today, you made a decision to support these republics’ independence. Why did Russia do it? Does this square with international law?

Medvedev: I'll start with your second question. This is fully in line with international law. When the case of Kosovo arose, my colleagues said this was a special case, or, as experts in international affairs say, casus sui generis. Well, each case of such recognition is a special case. The situation in Kosovo was special, and the situation in South Ossetia and Abkhazia is special as well.

In our situation, it is quite obvious that we made this decision in order to prevent genocide and annihilation of these peoples, and to help them to come to their feet. These unrecognised republics have been struggling for their independence for seventeen years now. Despite all attempts by the international community, no progress was made during this time. Until just recently, we tried to help restore the state unite of Georgia. However, it didn’t work.

The decision to launch an aggression buried all hopes of achieving an agreement. Thus, under current circumstances, the only way to preserve these peoples is to recognise them as subjects of international law, to recognize their state independence.

That is why our decision is fully in line with international law, the UN Charter, Helsinki declarations and other international documents.

Putin told CNN:

We expected the U.S. to intervene in the conflict and stop the aggressive actions of the Georgian leadership...  The U.S. administration not only failed to restrain the Georgian leadership from this criminal action, but the American side in fact trained and equipped the Georgian army."

in effect loosing Russian position in the G8 now to be the G 7 as well as the WTO

Choosing between the membership in G8 and WTO Russia chose the lives of Ossetians.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said after signing decrees to recognize the breakaway regions on Tuesday, "This is not an easy decision, but it is the only way to protect lives".

Especially Central Asian FSU countries disagree with this invasion.

   

Members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation have signed a declaration in support of Russia's peacekeeping mission in South Ossetia, in spite of fact that SCO pointed out any solution must be based on the principle of territorial integrity.

Indeed, most of the world is bemused by western moralizing on Georgia. America would not tolerate Russia intruding into its geopolitical sphere in Latin America. Hence Latin Americans see American double standards clearly. So do all the Muslim commentaries that note that the US invaded Iraq illegally, too. Neither India nor China is moved to protest against Russia. It shows how isolated is the western view on Georgia: that the world should support the underdog, Georgia, against Russia. In reality, most support Russia against the bullying west.
http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/opinion/the_west_is_strategically_wrong_on_russia.html

Imagine the DUMA voted already to take s. Ossetia, etc, as Russian property? Amazing.

As OSCE Secretary General Marc Perrin de Brichambaut said "The destiny of South Ossetia will be decided by the South Ossetian people, taking into account history and the present realities of life. It is also necessary to take into account close cooperation and relations with North Ossetia."   

Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov on Thursday said his French counterpart Bernard Kouchner had a 'sick imagination' for saying that Moscow had designs on the Crimea, Ukraine and Moldova.

"This takes a sick imagination," Lavrov told reporters in response to Kouchner's allegation that, after recognising the independence of two rebel Georgian regions, Russia could threaten other parts of the former Soviet Union.
http://www.aaj.tv/news/World/115069_detail.html

[wxman]

Why are we arguing about the 2 biggest fools of the last 50 years? The great Bush league of America, or the Grand Putz of Russia? Really, why do we fall for their BS?

[OlgaH]

Sadly this is a large number of misinformed day dreamers.

I guess Dr. Thomas P.M. Barnett would agree with you... about a large number of misinformed west day dreamers 

The West's re-demonization of Russia is in full swing, with aging advocates barely able to conceal their glee in resurrecting the "good old days." It's a sad commentary on our grand strategic thinking that we so blithely add back the Cold War to our already full plate of global security interests.

The dumbest part of this transaction is that we've let Georgia's hothead leader, Mikhail Saakashvili, unilaterally declare war between NATO and Russia. We don't let Taiwan do the same in our crucial relationship with China, so why have we let ourselves get played for such chumps here?

Do you really think Iran is somehow more powerful than Saudi Arabia? Or that Russia's smackdown of Georgia vaults it past China? Can anybody in this day and age really think ballistic missiles make the world go round? Such soda-straw views of today's global power structure dumb down our strategic thinking. We're letting the least intelligent leaders out there determine our responses.

Russia has built extensive, downstream economic connectivity with the West, which it wants to preserve. It has also sought NATO membership, with Putin himself saying it could happen if Russia was treated like an equal.

In our supreme lack of strategic imagination, we've said no, choosing instead to expand NATO right up to Russia's doorstep and -- just now -- to get Poland's agreement to install missile defense. NATO, we tell ourselves, began as an anti-Russia military alliance and so it must stay. Instead of building something new that could include Russia, we've hung onto our Cold War safety blanket, inserting thumb in mouth.

Say goodbye to strategic alliance with China. As a fellow autocracy, it'll get swept up in the us-versus-them mania.

Say goodbye to India too. It didn't kowtow our way in the first Cold War either.

Dr. Thomas P.M. Barnett, Harvard PhD, is a strategic planner who has worked in U.S. national security affairs since the end of the Cold War.
http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/opinion/what_resurrecting_cold_war_with_russia_costs_us.html

[Mishenka]

DUSHANBE, Tajikistan - China and several Central Asian nations rebuffed Russia's hopes of international support for its actions in Georgia, issuing a statement Thursday denouncing the use of force and calling for the respect of every country's territorial integrity.

I don't see this as support from China or Central Asia at all, what they support is the cease fire as originally written to be executed that Russia will not honor as written. South Osettia is not a Nation, it is within the borders of Georgia which is a sovereign Nation Russia had no right to use excessive force and over kill as they did, no one can deny this.
 
A joint declaration from the six-member Shanghai Cooperation Organization also offered some support for Russia's "active role in promoting peace" following a cease-fire, but overall it appeared to increase Moscow's international isolation.

Russia's search for support in Asia had raised fears that the alliance would turn the furor over Georgia into a broader confrontation between East and West, pitting the U.S. and Europe against their two main Cold War foes.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev had appealed to the Asian alliance, which is made up of China, Russia and four ex-Soviet Central Asian nations, for unanimous support of Moscow's response to Georgia's "aggression."

But the alliance, which was created in 2001 to improve regional coordination on terrorism and border security, opted to take a neutral position and urged all sides to resolve the conflict through "peaceful dialogue."

"The participants ... underscore the need for respect of the historical and cultural traditions of each country and each people, and for efforts aimed at preserving the unity of the state and its territorial integrity," the alliance's statement said.

None of the other alliance members joined Russia in recognizing the independence claims of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, in an interview with CNN, accused the U.S. of orchestrating the conflict in Georgia to provide a talking point in the American presidential campaign. The White House press secretary Dana Perino called the claims "patently false."

Russia's decision to recognize Georgia's separatist regions Tuesday sparked another storm of criticism from the West because both provinces make up roughly 20 percent of Georgia's territory. The West had already criticized Russia for what it calls a disproportionate use of force in fighting this month with Georgia, its small southern neighbor that wants to join NATO.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Robert Wood expressed satisfaction about the Asian group's statement, saying "it wasn't what I would call an endorsement of Russia's recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia."

China has traditionally been wary of endorsing separatists abroad, mindful of its own problems with Tibet and Muslims in the western territory of Xinjiang. The joint statement, which was unanimously endorsed, made a point of stressing the sanctity of borders — two days after Russia sought to redraw Georgia's territory.

The Asian alliance's statement offered some praise of Moscow's actions, at least in the context of the peace deal signed five days after the war began Aug. 7. The alliance said it supports "the active role of Russia in promoting peace and cooperation in the given region."

The four Central Asian members of the group — Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan — all seemed reluctant to damage their relations with Europe and the U.S.Kazakhstan enjoys significant Western investment in its rich hydrocarbon sector, and impoverished Kyrgyzstan earns $150 million in aid and rent for hosting a U.S. air base that supports military operations in Afghanistan.

The alliance conducts joint military exercises and aspires to become a counterweight to NATO. In 2005, its members called for a timetable for U.S. forces to leave Central Asian bases the U.S. uses to support operations in Afghanistan.

Despite continuing Western protests and a visit by U.S. warships to Georgia's Black Sea coast, Russian troops remain at checkpoints inside areas controlled by Georgia prior to the recent conflict.

While a cease-fire agreement calls for both sides to withdraw to their previous positions, the Kremlin says the agreement allows Russian forces to occupy "security zones" outside the rebel regions.

[OlgaH]

DUSHANBE, Tajikistan - China and several Central Asian nations rebuffed Russia's hopes of international support for its actions in Georgia, issuing a statement Thursday denouncing the use of force and calling for the respect of every country's territorial integrity.

I don't see this as support from China or Central Asia at all, what they support is the cease fire as originally written to be executed that Russia will not honor as written. South Osettia is not a Nation, it is within the borders of Georgia which is a sovereign Nation Russia had no right to use excessive force and over kill as they did, no one can deny this.
 

Mishenka,

South Ossetia has its own history and language. Before making statements as you have done, please study the history 

Six Presidents of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) signed the Dushanbe declaration on 28 August. The document includes the issues of international security, trade and economic cooperation, struggle against separatism, extremism and terrorism. Declaration reflects the position of SCO member-countries regarding the Georgian-Ossetin conflict.

In particular, declaration says “SCO member-countries hail approval of the six principles in Moscow on 12 August to regulate the conflict in South Ossetia and support Russia’s active role to assist world and cooperation in the region”.

http://news.trendaz.com/index.shtml?show=news&newsid=1280898&lang=EN

Kremlin says the agreement allows Russian forces to occupy "security zones" outside the rebel regions.

Not to occupy, but to protect according to the agreement and request by the President of South Ossetia from the next Georgia's aggression 

[Mishenka]

Olga, with all due respect, we could post news articles back and forth till the end of time to support either side and never come to an agreement. I'm not posting to support either side, I just want to post the article that backed up what I wrote.  Simply put, there is little to no support for the invasion of Georgia worldwide. Georgia defended itself against the aggressor. What do you expect from Putin's men?  Setting up 3000 soldiers to occupy a new air base is considered breaking this treaty.

US satellites watch every move they make 24/7, there is no way to hide from the eye of the camera. It's amazing what they can see using these satellite cams from 22,500 feet in the sky. They can read the details of a license plate on a car, see the temperature of a person's body as they walk down the street with infra red cams in space and tell what time it was that they ate their last meal. They can watch and identify, military tanks, ships, troops around the world,  as they positions themselves for an invasion.  They can also deny internet access for a determined amount of time as we did through out Georgia and parts of Russia, and some of the FSU countries for that 48 hour period just as the attacks occurred. So you see, Putin needs to more carefully count the cost before making such decisions.  He wants the oil. Lusting for this oil for his gazprom.  Who's next? Uzbek natural Gas?  Watch and see as he unveils his strategy.

We need peace.
Mishenka

[OlgaH]

Georgia defended itself against the aggressor.
We need peace.
Mishenka

Saakashvili declared war against South Ossetia, attacked South Ossetia and starting to fire on South Ossetia killing the civilians. Since the Dagomys Agreements Russia has all rights to protect South Ossetian civilians.

Probably somebody would  prefer to wait till time when Saakashvili will kill last Ossetian in South Ossetia...  Or may be it would be better if all the South Ossetians would leave their historical land, culture and homes due to Saakashvili and NATO's wishes?  and then there would be articles how Georgia punished the separatists...

Oh, bad Russian bear has spoiled the plans...

[OlgaH]

US satellites watch every move they make 24/7...

So, why US could not stop Saakashvili's criminal action against South Ossetia and save the Ossetians' lives during first couple of hours? Why they just let him to do it?

[OlgaH]

He wants the oil.

US also wants the oil. So, who is next in its list? 

[msmoby_ru]

where is a quote of my post? otherwise you have said a lie and it can be considered as another lowdown act.

Olga,

instead of filling this thread with repetitive questions - which have already been answered- and your failing to respond to points - which you CAN'T refute ... could I remind you:

 it has been suggested several times to you that you can refer my "lowdown" acts to the admin... ( I'm more than happy for my posts - and so called "editing" to be examined ) 

Lastly, there is a "report to moderator" feature on the bottom of all our posts..