Wife split!

[Doll]

You're quick to correct your English 
Buck was much better

[Doll]

ooooooops you did not correct

[Maxx2]

What is the origin of the term "buck naked"?
Barenaked Lady
San Francisco, CA

Dear Barenaked Lady:

You'll have to take our word for it when we say there a few plausible explanations for the term. One theory backed by the American Heritage Dictionary proposes the original phrase was actually "butt naked." The phrase was then cleaned up to "buck naked" so it could be used in polite company. A post on a message board forwards the idea that "buck" in this sense is an adverb meaning "stark" or "completely."

Brit wordsmith Michael Quinon has another theory. He's of the notion that "buck" and "buff," another term to describe nudity, are both derived from buckskin and buffalo hides. He argues that buff leather is tan in color, much like the color of the Europeans' skin after being in the sun. This led to the expression "to be in the buff," or naked. Thomas Dekker was the first to go on record with the term when he said in 1602, "I go in stag, in buff." The assumption is that "buck naked" has a similar derivation from buckskin.

[dobradavid]

Thank  you
 
Naked to Siberia! Sounds romantic!
Whats is "bUck"?

The correct phrase is" "bare bean, buck nekkid"   

[Gator]

Will "Doll" continue to insist that "it's all Wayne's fault"?

It is a "yes".

Doll,

You are WRONG!

At times your posts have been insightful, so much so that I have always given you the benefit of the doubt when you write something that seems foolish.

This time there is no doubt.  When a relationship fails, both partners are responsible.  They may not be equally culpable, yet I guarantee each contributed to the outcome.  

Who is more culpable?  The dissolute person who deceives?  Or the gullible person who is deceived and did not take reasonable steps when a scam becomes apparent?   We must be responsible for our decisions.

BTW, I agree with you about Wayne's wife not being deported.  The government should do such only if it places a lifetime ban on Wayne marrying another foreigner.  

Wayne needs to forget about this whole and move on.  

[dobradavid]

Oh dears dears Sorry if I was not quite clear in asking my question. I wanted to have the quoted words commented, not anything else

"It ain't over 'til da fat lady sings" is a proverb, essentially meaning that one shouldn't assume the outcome of some activity until it has actually finished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_ain't_over_'til_the_fat_lady_sings

[Gator]

If there was justice in this world you would be stripped of your US citizenship and your clothes and parachuted out the back of a transport buck naked over Siberia. (my fantasy of how I wanted my GCG ex to be sent back)

 

Maybe she would enjoy the second part!

[dobradavid]

Wayne needs to forget about this whole and move on.

I disagree - I think Wayne should peddle the script to the TV studios. 

[felix8787]

(after Wayne's last post) Guys, what did his wife do wrong?

No sex since the wedding night.  Wife? moved into seperate bedroom.  Believe this was planned all along.

Wife admits she has a boyfriend and moved in with him.  Tells me her immigration lawyer says she has to live with me for the green card issue.  

Nothing wrong here, just 4 years in the making of a planned dupe on Wayne. Hm, so it is OK to cheat on your husband?

Awfully wrong that the board has been concerned "for" 35 pages? She didn't like something in Wayne and the way he lived and left.

Wrong to be concerned for a guy who is getting duped? You wouldn't be concerned for a GCG? Oh, wait you already are.

She didn't like something in Wayne and the way he lived and left. She didn't do any harm, you are wasting your anger.

I repeat 4 years in the making, planned then executed. From what Wayne has posted he kepted a clean house, but she turned it into a pig sty.

She didn't abuse him or money. Come on!

Oh, so abuse is only a one way street, I guess emotional abuse/trama only applies in this situation to GCG in desperate need?

It is sad but he needs to blame himself- THREE women left him.

I was married to a bi-polar American woman for 17 years, so I know just how difficult it is.  We had 4 children together and I stayed in the married so long for their sake.

I was married to an AW for 17 years who is bi-polar.  We had four children together.  Of course, I did not know about this before we were married--but there were signs!  The problem really got bad right after our first child was born.  I guess the chemistry and change in hormones triggered it.  I wish I had all the money spent on Psychiatrists, Psycologists, therapy, drugs, etc.  One of our children was in special education, emotionally impaired throughout school.  He is now 27 years old, on SSI and never held a real job.  

I would suggest running very quickly away from an woman you suspect is bi-polar.

I was involved with an Ukrainan woman who is a very talented Artist, very emotional and has mood swings.  However, I would not consider her to be bi-polar.  I did find out that she does not always tell the truth--so that ended the relationship!

Wow!!!!!!!!!!, so all along it has been Wayne's fault.
Let's see, Waynes first marriage of 17yrs to a bi-polar woman and 4 children later. He doesn't say she left him, but I can speculate as to why that marriage ended.
Then "S" the very talented Artist who does not always tell the truth. She is a liar and that is the reason why she left Wayne because she is a liar. Maybe her conscience got the best of her for lying so damn much to Wayne and left.
Now Oksana.....she get's here, marries a month later, consummates marriage, next day moves into seperate bedroom, admits she has boyfriend, moves back in because immigration lawyer tells her to for green card issues, puts lock on bedroom door, Wayne stays away for the most part, Oksana moves to undisclosed location.......Can we say planned.

Ah, the only things she does "wrong" is she is not  leaving the country!

It's not about her leaving the country, it's about her "wrong" doing to get GC.

She is behaving quite decently right now, you need to admit it.

Of course, because she isn't around, she is at some undisclosed location probably plotting her next move.

[felix8787]

This time there is no doubt.  When a relationship fails, both partners are responsible.  They may not be equally culpable, yet I guarantee each contributed to the outcome.  

Who is more culpable?  The dissolute person who deceives?  Or the gullible person who is deceived and did not take reasonable steps when a scam becomes apparent?   We must be responsible for our decisions.
 

Wayne needs to forget about this whole and move on.  

Agree.

[Jet]

...you are saying in Eastern Europe it is normal and OK for the wife to stop sleeping with the husband after the wedding? Hmmmm.... 

Then later she gets a boyfriend but still wants Wayne to help her get a green card. Which BTW is illegal. Then she comes over to his house with the police in tow so an abuse charge by her must have been made. For Jet to say her marriage to Wayne is "not a conspiracy to defraud Wayne and/or the gov't" strikes me as naive.

Perhaps both of you should go back and re-read what I wrote, including the qualifiers I inserted.

dobradavid,
There are many reasons why wives stop sleeping with their husbands, and most have absolutely nothing to do with obtaining a greencard. Usually it stems from a feeling of insecurity or instability, either with their partner, their surroundings, their finances, or their outlook for the future. Although if you read what I wrote, you'd understand I made no comment on that issue, I ONLY commented on the relative permissiveness of extra-marital affairs outside US borders.

Maxx2,
When the Ex Girlfriend and I split it was an amicable decision and there was no hostility whatsoever. Upon advice of her daughter though, the cops were there in 10 minutes just to make sure things didn't turn ugly. People do this sort of thing - often.

Don't forget that we are hearing ONE side of a story, there are at least 2 more sides we haven't heard and they may impact opinion in a big way. I do not believe that this situation is "all Wayne's fault" but feel certain he is not 100% innocent victim either.

[Doll]

Oh, so abuse is only a one way street, I guess emotional abuse/trama only applies in this situation to GCG in desperate need?

No , but this has nothing to do with GCGs and is very similar to ANY divorce  betwene American men and women. Or any AM thinks of security under splitting situation? No.
There are men whose wives leave them, take their kids and money. This one just left and it is fair in a way.

[dobradavid]

I ONLY commented on the relative permissiveness of extra-marital affairs outside US borders.

That's a REALLY braod statement - which countries exactly are you painting as "relatively permissive for wife's extra-martial affairs"?  

[Doll]

I repeat 4 years in the making, planned then executed. From what Wayne has posted he kepted a clean house, but she turned it into a pig sty.

None of us knows is for a fact.

[Doll]

I do not believe that this situation is "all Wayne's fault" but feel certain he is not 100% innocent victim either.

I don't either. Things happen in marriages.
 I was just thinking of three of his relationships failed. Wayne has to learn his lesson and I am not sure what it is.

[Doll]

She is a liar and that is the reason why she left Wayne because she is a liar.

Didn't get you

[Doll]

 
Jet, your wife is adorable!
(looking at the picture)

[felix8787]

None of us knows is for a fact.

What? that she lived in a pig sty that she made or that she planned this. Reading from what Wayne has posted, those are the facts to go by unless you think that this is some elaborate fabrication by Wayne. Also from the actions that Wayne has posted of what she has done since she has got here and married, it very much suggests that this was a planned thing.

Didn't get you

What?

[William3rd]

No , but this has nothing to do with GCGs and is very similar to ANY divorce  betwene American men and women. Or any AM thinks of security under splitting situation? No.
There are men whose wives leave them, take their kids and money. This one just left and it is fair in a way.

No No No- The GCH gets her residency card (which she planned for) and THEN leaves? She should never been allowed here in the first place and should not be allowed to remain. To set the scales right. . . .

BTW- the only elaborate fabrications are of doll's making- trying to defend her GCH sister. Birds of a feather. .

[Doll]

felix8787, why S was a liar of she came to marry Wayne, didn't like something (I am not sure what) and left?
Another is a liar because she came, married him, didn't like something (what?) and left.
Both are liars?
 

[Doll]

She should never been allowed here in the first place and should not be allowed to remain

Why?

[felix8787]

No , but this has nothing to do with GCGs

She came on a K-1 in March 2008.  Married in late April.  Sent in green card application soon after.  Went to USCIS for interview.  Passed except that wife has latent tuberculosis.  She went to local health department for treatment.  Sent back letter to USCIS saying treatment was started.  Green cards should arrive soon.


Two days ago, wife shows up at house.  Angry!  Demands her mail, but she did not receive any.  Looking for green cards to arrive, probably.  

Wow!!!!! And this whole time she was hounding the mail for the newest coupon books. Yeah, your right, it's not about the GC.



It's fair for Wayne's wife to have sex with him on their marriage night, move into the next bedroom the next day, then tell him that she has a boyfriend (for who knows how long) and she moved in with him, then she moved back in because lawyer said so and then moves out again to unknown location. That's leaving in a fair way?

So Wayne can do the same exact thing? If it's fair for her, the same fairness also applies to him also.

[Doll]

Felix, I read this long ago.

Wow!!!!! And this whole time she was hounding the mail for the newest coupon books.

No, she was waiting for her GC. But what really happened?
Why were both women liars like you said? This is what I didn't get.

[felix8787]

felix8787, why S was a liar of she came to marry Wayne, didn't like something (I am not sure what) and left?
Another is a liar because she came, married him, didn't like something (what?) and left.
Both are liars?
 

Doll, Wayne didn't mention what she was lying about, only that "she does not always tells the truth" so to me, she was telling him lies and he doesn't mention anything about being married to her, only that the relationship ended.

I was doing a K-1 for S.

Anyway, the visas were delayed while they did an FBI check on the other last name.  S and her Daughter came to America--but S was not satified when she saw my home and left.  Of course, I had sent many photographs of the house to S.  I found out that S had a problem with lying and could not be trusted.  I believe she will never make anyone a good wife.  Now I see she has profiles where she lies about her age and height.  

 

Seems like "S" was here on a k-1 but never married and now she is back in Ukraine. How can both be liars when Wayne showed photos of his house and whatever else to her....seems like she is the one who was lying.

[felix8787]

No, she was waiting for her GC. But what really happened?
Why were both women liars like you said? This is what I didn't get.

What happened is that right after she had sex with him on their wedding night, she moved into the next bedroom and the rest is up thread.

I didn't say both were liars, read up thread.

Then "S" the very talented Artist who does not always tell the truth. She is a liar and that is the reason why she left Wayne because she is a liar. Maybe her conscience got the best of her for lying so damn much to Wayne and left.

If someone is not telling you the truth...doesn't that mean that they are lying? And should they do it repeatedly, they are considered liars.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liar
li⋅ar   /ˈlaɪər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation  [lahy-er] Show IPA Pronunciation 

–noun a person who tells lies.

liar

noun
a person who has lied or who lies repeatedly