Specific Ukrainian Woman

[Aloe]

Aloe, can you tell us why some Russian women have so much prejudice against Ukrainians?  Most of us men do not see much of a difference culturally between the ladies from both countries.  some men might say that Ukrainian women on average are more beautiful, but, I didn't see much difference on that either.  But, I have heard over and over from Russian women that Ukrainian women are bad but no one can ever say exactly why.  Bored1 could answer this question also.

Where do you see prejudice? If i had never been there and was badmouthing them for nothing, then it would be prejudice, but i lived there and actively socialized and interacted with locals, and upon that experience i based my opinion. It was all guys though, didn't hang out with girls much. Stealing was very very very common in that town. Besides look at ukrainians, stirlitz here on this forum is claiming ukraine has no skinheads, and then suggests you are confusing ukraine with russia, where they do have skinheads, now that's prejudice while denying your own country's faults.

[Sculpto]

Aloe,
I have heard it from a variety of Russian women.

And I agree with your comments about Stirlitz.  I have never found him to be very credible.

[Aloe]

IMO russians have way less prejudice against ukrainians than them about us, thanks to ukrainian government's efforts to ban and forsake everything russian. And what do you expect russians to think when they hear that ukraine wants to ban or has already banned the use of russian language in universities/schools/movies/tv/press?

[Sculpto]

IMO russians have way less prejudice against ukrainians than them about us, thanks to ukrainian government's efforts to ban and forsake everything russian. And what do you expect russians to think when they hear that ukraine wants to ban or has already banned the use of russian language in universities/schools/movies/tv/press?

You won't like my answer Aloe.  I think national self determination is a right of all people.  Russia has an unfortunate history of conquest and domination of its neighbors.  How would Russians feel if say the Chinese had invaded, conquered and forced all Russians to speak Chinese?  Would the Russians speak Russian in secret and then later upon independence revert back to speaking Russian and banning everything that reminded them of the repression forced on them by the Chinese?

[Aloe]

why would ukrainians suddenly up and decide to speak a non-native language ? only cuz the government is making them. the ukranians i met , their native language was russian, ukrainian was something their grandparents taught them and they understand, but don't really wanna speak.
on a side note, i don't know what the hell i'm talking about, just talking about my limited experience.

[Aloe]

so i thought about this a little bit, and realized i cant judge entire ukraine by 1 town and 1 month of experience, i've heard some horrifying stories about some russian towns as well, so i offer apologies to anyone who might have taken offense 

[Sculpto]

I relate it to what I have seen in Mexico.  The Indigenous people were forced to learn and use Spanish as it was/is the offical language of the country, but, in their own homes they speak over 70 different langauges.  In school they are forced to learn and speak Spanish but do not wish to do so.

I have a friend here in San Fran that is Ukrainian.  Her area of study in Uni was Ukrainian literature.  She speaks both languages equally fluently, but, prefers to speak Ukrainian because it gives her some kind of national pride.  

Now, don't get me wrong about my personal views on this topic.  I am not a person who reagrds any form of nationalism to be positive.  We all are EARTHLINGS and it would benefit us all to learn how to get along better.  But still, ethnic minorities in all countries wish for emancipation.  

Or, as another example take the Russian enclaves in Georgia.  In south Osettia people felt more culturally and lingustically Russian than Georgian and they felt repressed by Georgian rule.  They were forced to speak Georgian and to have patriotism for Georgia.  They didn't want it apparently and so they rebelled.  We all know how it has ended up.  

Can anyone tell us the exact time in which Ukraine first became part of the Russian empire in "modern" times?  I seem to recall something about a certain Potemkin...

[Sculpto]

so i thought about this a little bit, and realized i cant judge entire ukraine by 1 town and 1 month of experience, i've heard some horrifying stories about some russian towns as well, so i offer apologies to anyone who might have taken offense 

You are a really nice lady Aloe.  Your fiance is a lucky guy. He better be good to you or I think a bunch of men here might have to teach him a lesson hahaha! 

[Ade]

so i thought about this a little bit, and realized i cant judge entire ukraine by 1 town and 1 month of experience, i've heard some horrifying stories about some russian towns as well, so i offer apologies to anyone who might have taken offense 

Don't be so hard on yourself, at least you lived there for a while, speak their language and interacted with them unlike the many guys that make incredibly large, uninformed, sweeping generalisations about Russian and Ukrainian women just after reading a little BS on a MOB site and exchanging a few emails with some women paid to talk to them.   

[Sculpto]

Don't be so hard on yourself, at least you lived there for a while, speak their language and interacted with them unlike the many guys that make incredibly large, uninformed, sweeping generalisations about Russian and Ukrainian women just after reading a little BS on a MOB site and exchanging a few emails with some women paid to talk to them.   

LOL good one!

Aloe.. which city in Ukraine did you visit if you don't mind saying?

[Bored1]

Aloe, can you tell us why some Russian women have so much prejudice against Ukrainians?  Most of us men do not see much of a difference culturally between the ladies from both countries.  some men might say that Ukrainian women on average are more beautiful, but, I didn't see much difference on that either.  But, I have heard over and over from Russian women that Ukrainian women are bad but no one can ever say exactly why.  Bored1 could answer this question also.

I see little difference.  I have womans family in Odessa and they same as me.  It is also good for nice free holiday  .  We are not the same but I see difference between Moscow and St. P womans to.  Womans are womans and none the same even as we are. 

[Gator]

so i thought about this a little bit, and realized i cant judge entire ukraine by 1 town and 1 month of experience, i've heard some horrifying stories about some russian towns as well, so i offer apologies to anyone who might have taken offense 

You are a remarkable woman Aloe.

In the past some RW have made unfavorable comments about UW vs. RW.  Maybe it was something imprinted in their youth by their Russian culture.  Maybe they had a bad firsthand experience.  Whatever, they argued vehemently with men married to UW, and they never relented. 

Aloe, in contrast, you immediately reexamine your statement and realize the absurdity.  Isn't it glorious to have an open mind.  How come these Belgian men are winning the hearts of such fine RW?!  They are almost like the French (now I am the one making an absurd statement).

[Sculpto]

You are a remarkable woman Aloe.

In the past some RW have made unfavorable comments about UW vs. RW.  Maybe it was something imprinted in their youth by their Russian culture.  Maybe they had a bad firsthand experience.  Whatever, they argued vehemently with men married to UW, and they never relented. 

Aloe, in contrast, you immediately reexamine your statement and realize the absurdity.  Isn't it glorious to have an open mind.  How come these Belgian men are winning the hearts of such fine RW?!  They are almost like the French (now I am the one making an absurd statement).

I agree with all that Gator said.. just want to point out that Belgians are far from a homogenous people.. they speak French, German and Flemish.. things are not always harmonious between the various linguistic/ethnic communities.

Some % of the people in Ukraine are ethnically Ukrainian and have their ovwn langauge which was supressed under the SU, as were all other languages of ethnic minorities.  To me it is not suprising in the least that with independence a strong "new" Ukrainian identity has formed.

Ask people from Quebec how they feel about being forced to speak English...

Ask people from Barcelona and Valencia how they feel about being forced to speak Castillian...

etc...

[giants11]

She probably a scammer!!! Save your $$ and go to the Dairy Queen in your town to meet ladies!

[Aloe]

hehe thanks guys
Sculpto, it was Evpatoriya in Crimea

[Sculpto]

hehe thanks guys
Sculpto, it was Evpatoriya in Crimea

my following comment is NOT an opinion of my own.. just something I was told by my friend in Odessa..

"never trust anyone from Crimea, they all thieves"

bias and prejudice exist all over the world.  I wonder what people from Crimea would say about those "pranksters" in Odessa...

[Aloe]

How come these Belgian men are winning the hearts of such fine RW?! 

must be something in the chocolate 

[ScottinCrimea]

my following comment is NOT an opinion of my own.. just something I was told by my friend in Odessa..

"never trust anyone from Crimea, they all thieves"

bias and prejudice exist all over the world.  I wonder what people from Crimea would say about those "pranksters" in Odessa...

It's funny, the people in Crimea say the same thing about Odessa.

[SANDRO43]

bias and prejudice exist all over the world.

In the French-speaking world, Belgians are the butt of the same type of jokes that feature the Irish or Poles in English-speaking countries . I remember being told one - by a Frenchman, of course - that went more or less like:

- Why was the Belgian Army overrun in a few days by the Germans in BOTH World Wars?
- Poor grenade-handling technique: instead of removing the safety pin with their teeth and throwing the grenade, they always threw the safety pin at the enemy while holding the grenade firmly with their teeth .

[Sculpto]

It's funny, the people in Crimea say the same thing about Odessa.

I am not suprised hahaha! 

So, there we have it.. the thief calling the crook a bum and vice versa...

[OlgaH]

Sculpto, it was Evpatoriya in Crimea

and Russians are overwhelming majority of the Crimean population 

[kievstar]

Scultpo,

Belgium tv posts a lot of pictures of girls saying there from Belgium and guys can send sms, webcam, and / or call them.  Many girls on the TV I recognize from Odessa marriage agencies. Odessa does always have the prettiest girls.

I work in international business and the men from Middle East like white women from Czech.  I am not going to list porn sites.  Bill R, has a PHD in keyboard romeo he should be able to find her.  But you will find that these agencies also use girls from Odessa marriage agencies.

Where this girl lives have no clue.  She just looks a little Czech.  I will not be convinced until I see a photo of her with a real member of this board.  That being said she probably has no clue her pictures are being used or the other girls.  With the number of men on this board who are single and visit Odessa it seems strange by now that someone has not met her in person.  She is probably a very nice girl and others are making money off her.

I am staying at a new place near the Nord district in Brussels this week.  Wellness Apartments.  The only have Arab TV so pictures will have to wait until end of June when I am back to the expo area.  I do have to walk through 100% of red light district to work which in Brussels is several blocks long and all the girls are in windows on one side of the street.  Maybe I will see her in the window.  Business was very bad last night as probably 100-200 girls and no men except their pimps who keep a close eye to make sure they do not runaway.

Watched the movie taken on flight over.  Nord district is very ethnic and full of drugs and hookers.  Looks like many girls are there against there will.  I always wondered where the toilet water from Detroit and New York City goes - looks like Brussels.  Very surprising in a country like Belgium they can let women be taken of advantage and held as prisoners.  But Belgium is half French. 

[Sculpto]

Kiev,
I know about those late night things.  We have them here in SF also.  I am not suprised in the least they are using photos of Hot Russian girls.  Its probably the least expensive modelling shots they can get.  There is some crappy site from odessa that sells them.  I get spammed from them every couple of weeks. 

There is a girl I have in my contacts on vkontakt who has her photo being used on fling.com without her knowledge.  So, point is I don't think it is proof of anything that Zhanna's image is on late night tv in belgium.  the only thing it proves is she sold her image or someone sold it for her.  What is far more of an indictment is her association with the Orchid scam from Odessa. 

Still waiting for BillR to come back and tell us what his plans are.

[JR]

I want Jhanna ! ! ! !  !

[SANDRO43]

I want Jhanna ! ! ! !  !

JR, get stuffed . You're a bloody broken record .