Realities of FSUW

[Misha]

To Misha-yes,if for example,the slender woman who the man married some years ago,turnes into a mount of fat and doesnt show any desire to change-many men will be very disappointed and probably will start to look at other women.

You are citing an extreme case. What if the woman simply ages and the guy trades her in for a younger woman? Is that acceptable? Marriage in that case is not "until death do you part" but rather, until you can buy/lease a better model? Likewise, should a woman dump her husband, not because he changed, but simply because she can get a richer man?

[Misha]

"Never say never".
You can find out only in certain circumstances.

Disagree. My wife is pretty much the same woman she was before we got married. True, some women do try to hide their true nature, but if you spend enough time with them and are not ignoring the obvious, a man will be able to pick up the signs if he is looking.

[Misha]

Second,SPOIL her sometimes-find out what is that toy she is crazy about-and buy it to her,make her surprise. Even if its expensive and you really dont understand how is it possible to spend so much money on that crap. Buy it to her-she will be happy and proud.

So, for you a relationship and making someone feel special is all about spending money? I guess that I have an odd relationship with my wife. If I want to make her special, I will cook her a special meal. We will go out and do things together (hiking, swimming, skiing). When my wife is "happy and proud" is usually when I spend the least amount of money 

[Misha]

I honestly think that there tends to be a skewed view on the women in the MOB industry mainly because it does attract a disproportionate number of morally bankrupt women intent on trading up. I think you'll find that most normal, everyday FSU women that wouldn't normally consider dating internationally aren't like that at all.

I agree wholeheartedly with you here.

[groovlstk]

So, for you a relationship and making someone feel special is all about spending money? I guess that I have an odd relationship with my wife. If I want to make her special, I will cook her a special meal.

I never forget to buy flowers and gifts on certain anniversaries, holidays, and just for the heck of it - but in terms of my wife's gratitude, nothing compares with waking up early on a Saturday, cooking her breakfast, and serving it to her in bed. Or remembering to pick up her favorite chocolates on the way home from work. I'm not advocating that a guy should be cheap and expect his wife to be grateful, but ultimately it's the little things that count the most.

[Mishenka]

My personal observations.....

RW are all about her man being willing to spend money on her regardless if he has it or not. She expects you to meet her needs. This is more about his attitude than actually spending the money on a certain gift.  She wants to be first priority over everything in her mans' life. he will sacrifice her life for her family and expects her husband to do the same. She will go a week without eating to have money for a new pair of shoes or to save for a new outfit. She will save for 6 months to buy a leather jacket or a pair of  winter boots. When you treat her as royalty she will treat you as her King. The small things help a lot. She wants to feel protected, she watches how you do things to show her you care. It's not always about buying gifts alone, it also about all the smaller things she is watching to see if you are attentive to her basic everyday needs in life. Do you listen to her speak and give her your full attention? Do you make eye contact as you listen to her? Do you respond to her or just ignore what she said, then wonder why she becomes silent? I had to learn the hard way. These women are very sensitive creatures. Very proud and arrogant, and still understanding and forgiving with the right man. They can be the most loving, caring, nurturing women on earth who will make sure their man is totally satisfied. She wants to give you everything and she expects you to have the same heart and soul for her as she does for you. She is looking for her soul mate, her favorite man, her only man. She wants to be your only woman. she watches your eyes to see where they roam. They better not be fixed on another woman. She is cleaver and see's everything. I am very lucky to have met such a woman that my eyes need not wander from her face and her eyes. Now if I could just get her here.   

[ScottinCrimea]

My wife could be honest to the extreme in most cases but practice the "situational ethics" in others.  It could be confusing at times, and maybe attributed too much to the culture.

There was one incident that REALLY bothered me and probably should have been the big red flag to cut and run.  For the life of me, I don't know why I didn't.  One of her best friends and her decided to work together to make some strawberry preserves.  They shared the cost of materials and both worked extremely hard for a couple of days doing this.  They were stored in our refrigerator, but the fridge went out, damaging some of the preserves.  We were able to save much of it, but my wife told her friend that they had all been destroyed and kept everything for herself.  I only learned about this much later.  Now I can't imagine doing that to a business partner, let alone one of your best friends.  That's just plain wrong in any culture.

[tfcrew]

I was hoping someone would re-post the link in question [still an error messg]

[Zhena]

So, for you a relationship and making someone feel special is all about spending money? I guess that I have an odd relationship with my wife. If I want to make her special, I will cook her a special meal. We will go out and do things together (hiking, swimming, skiing). When my wife is "happy and proud" is usually when I spend the least amount of money 

Your wife is an outstanding woman,Misha. Congrats,thats what you need.
But most of women usually dream of something stupid like the new designer sunglasses or jewelry or the bag. There are not many asketic women who doesnt care what she is dressed in but crazy about hiking. At least the FSU women.

[Zhena]

I never forget to buy flowers and gifts on certain anniversaries, holidays, and just for the heck of it - but in terms of my wife's gratitude, nothing compares with waking up early on a Saturday, cooking her breakfast, and serving it to her in bed. Or remembering to pick up her favorite chocolates on the way home from work. I'm not advocating that a guy should be cheap and expect his wife to be grateful, but ultimately it's the little things that count the most.

It is very touching and shows your love and appreciation. Also she would love a pair of the earrings for the anniversary,believe me. You can buy those really cheap,but your woman will be happy. You just should know her taste.

[Misha]

Your wife is an outstanding women,Misha. Congrats,thats what you need.

Thank you. I found the soul mate that I was looking for 

[Zhena]

My wife could be honest to the extreme in most cases but practice the "situational ethics" in others.  It could be confusing at times, and maybe attributed too much to the culture.

There was one incident that REALLY bothered me and probably should have been the big red flag to cut and run.  For the life of me, I don't know why I didn't.  One of her best friends and her decided to work together to make some strawberry preserves.  They shared the cost of materials and both worked extremely hard for a couple of days doing this.  They were stored in our refrigerator, but the fridge went out, damaging some of the preserves.  We were able to save much of it, but my wife told her friend that they had all been destroyed and kept everything for herself.  I only learned about this much later.  Now I can't imagine doing that to a business partner, let alone one of your best friends.  That's just plain wrong in any culture.

What did she do with all those strawberries?

[Zhena]

Thank you. I found the soul mate that I was looking for 

To look good,the woman must spend some money on herself,Misha. If you care about looks,of course....

[Misha]

There are not many asketic women who doesnt care what she is dressed in but crazy about hiking. At least the FSU women.

I forgot to say that my is concerned as to how she dresses, but she is wise enough to know that designer sunglasses don't bring happiness   She is also stunning in whatever she wears, so she does not have to spend a lot of money to look good   A truly beautiful and charismatic woman will make a burlap sack look fashionable

[Zhena]

BTW, if a woman's respect is derived from how much you earn and how much you possess rather than who you are then I would say that this is the sort of woman I'd not want to be around.

Jaded,but how much you earn IS part of who you are Some women like the ambitious men only and smart-not lazy enough to provide those ambitions in life. This is part of a mans personality. Some are created to fly and some are created to crawl,no offences.
But for every pot you can find a cover,thats right. Means there are the women who dont care about how much he can bring in the nest. Some women need the good attitude only.

[Zhena]

I forgot to say that my is concerned as to how she dresses, but she is wise enough to know that designer sunglasses don't bring happiness   She is also stunning in whatever she wears, so she does not have to spend a lot of money to look good   A truly beautiful and charismatic woman will make a burlap sack look fashionable

I agree,especially if she is young enough and her face skin doesnt need any creme yet. With the age,it will change some.
But still,women are the somewhat stupid creatures and the stupid sunglasses can make them happy,especially if given as a surprise. Many women are the fashion addicts,this is stupid and not a basic need,I agree-but simply makes them feel good. And if her man loves her,he will not mind about that little weakness.

[Misha]

Many women are the fashion addicts,this is stupid and not a basic need,I agree-but simply makes them feel good. And if her man loves her,he will not mind about that little weakness.

Perhaps, I just made sure to avoid such women  I am more than happy to let other men try and make such women happy (if they can) 

[Zhena]

They can ;)And they are happy to observe their wives beautiful and happy.

[Sculpto]

Zhena I have been reading your posts with great interest.  As most everyone here knows I am very non-materialistic.  What interests me in people is the qualities of their soul, intellect, heart.  What you have described is quite bluntly really depressing to me.

[Vaughn]

I am ROLLING in laughter at some of the comments here....  The majority of FSU ladies LOVE
it when a man graces her with a little box marked Halston or Yves St Laurent. What's the big deal?

We have some men, who praise the feminity and the attentiveness to appearance of the
Russian/Ukarainian woman - suddenly flag them as materialistic - as if they "worship"
cosmetics, fashion, handbags, high heels and so forth. Fact is - they DO like these things,
and will gladly part with their disposable income in those directions....

All the while maintaining their love, devotion, and sense of priorities to their marriage. Yes,
it IS possible they can balance their needs with ours. If one really wants a granola-chomping
makeup-less woman with unshaved armpits, check out the want ads in Mother Jones.

You may not appreciate Zhena's delivery, but it's pure truth.

[Sculpto]

LOL Vaughn..  having a nice appearance and being a materialistic person are not exactly the same thing.  But, all I hear from Zhena is the value of money/materialism as being the ONLY thing that is important.  I know that is not always true as "A" has proven that on numerous occasions.  But, when I hear Zhena's perspective as if it is somehow a virtue it makes me very sad because it is not only not a virtue but is in my view a significant defect.  It is to me the same mentality as Ambach has promoted and we have all criticized.

[Zhena]

Zhena I have been reading your posts with great interest.  As most everyone here knows I am very non-materialistic.  What interests me in people is the qualities of their soul, intellect, heart.  What you have described is quite bluntly really depressing to me.

what is depressing to you,that most of women like the beautiful toys ???
so do the men :)but their toys even more expensive....
or you depressed that the women prefer the successful men over non-successful ???

[Misha]

All the while maintaining their love, devotion, and sense of priorities to their marriage. Yes,
it IS possible they can balance their needs with ours. If one really wants a granola-chomping
makeup-less woman with unshaved armpits, check out the want ads in Mother Jones.

Well, one does not need to fall into extremes. My wife is stunning, yet she has bought clothing in used clothing stores 

[Zhena]

LOL Vaughn..  having a nice appearance and being a materialistic person are not exactly the same thing.  But, all I hear from Zhena is the value of money/materialism as being the ONLY thing that is important.  I know that is not always true as "A" has proven that on numerous occasions.  But, when I hear Zhena's perspective as if it is somehow a virtue it makes me very sad because it is not only not a virtue but is in my view a significant defect.  It is to me the same mentality as Ambach has promoted and we have all criticized.

everyone sees what they want to see
some men will find my posts useful,some will scream that they avoid such greedy bitches and of course,their wives-fiances are not like that at all and satisfied with the food and roof above their head.
everybody is the boss of their life. if denying the obvious makes them feel better-go ahead i know here are many reasonable men also.

[Zhena]

Well, one does not need to fall into extremes. My wife is stunning, yet she has bought clothing in used clothing stores 

and you re very proud of that huh