Life Changes...Part Deux

[facetrock]

 Billy, parsley? Your girlfriends mom suuure likes to talk to you about sex a lot. Anything your not telling us?

[Lily]

A doesn't speak her feelings but I can tell her feelings based on the way she acts towards me and the talks mom has with me from time to time. Mom also told me she never seen her daughter so nervous and worried before meeting me for the first time. A confessed later she was hoping to make my visit pleasant and me happy and even worried I might not have shown up.

Before I visited A I asked her how she sees her life in the future and in marriage. At the end of my visit to her, I asked how she sees a future life with me. She told me she could see a life with me and promised me that she would never hurt me or leave me. It's the kind of promises young people make but I tend to believe her because I felt based off her behavior she would be a loyal and devoted woman to the man she makes a commitment to.
 

I understand that speaking out her feelings may be uneasy, especially if the girl does not know what she wants and what she does not want. The latter may be easier to discover, though. Her expressed promises look good to me. At the same time, is she a kind of person who stick to her word, once given?

In case she uses her mom as a kind of mediator for communicating feelings, this may be good in case she and her mom are really close. Here it seems to me that the mother steers her behavior the way the mother deems good and necessary. Mother is her boss now. I wonder what happens if and when Billy marries A and takes her to the States. How A will do without her mom?

A propos about judging by her behavior. Women and men are different creatures. I don't mean A and Billy in particular, but I have read and seen that men may be tempted to mistake the woman's behavior in their favor. For example, men may thing about her inclination towards intimacy in some gestures, like striking their back, for example, whereas women may want to behave the way which is appropriate, in their opinion. Her care may be (and often is) a sign of decency, like following the Russian rule 'every normal woman should be caring', but it would not necessary mean that she has special feeling towards a particular man who she cares for.

[Vinnvinny]

Billy: Have you and 'A' been alone together yet or is Mom always there? (Apologies in advance if you've already made this known).

[BillyB]

 Your girlfriends mom suuure likes to talk to you about sex a lot. Anything your not telling us?

Can you handle the truth? Mom likes me alot. Mom's friend L likes me alot. After one day of meeting her, L's already kissing me on the lips goodbye when we part ways. Usually that kind of kiss is reserved for close friends. L's 18 yo daughter likes me alot. She looks at me alot and it's the look of admiration. I can feel that the ladies are attracted to me in many ways and under different circumstances, I'm sure I could have any one of those ladies as my girlfriend and they would happily accept.

It surprised me when mom first talked to me about sex but I actually like it when mom talks to me about sex. Mom views sex as a part of life and relationships. She doesn't view it as evil or dirty but understands a healthy sex life is a good thing and helps make a happy relationship. Mom talking about sex so much to me shows she's accepted me into the family. She really cares about A and doesn't want her to miss out on one of the great pleasures in life with the wrong man so she's trying to understand my views on sex and what I can do. I assured mom I'm a strong man and told her how long I can last in bed. She thought it may be too much but better too much than not enough.

I once dated a older local RW and she had a young son who married a young RW. She told me her daughter in law called her and asked if it's normal for a young man to want sex only once a week. She asked for my opinion and I said the problem may be with your daughter in law. I seen her photo and she's a pretty gal but she does have a loud mouth and doesn't talk lady like. I told my RW that her son may be turned off by her behavior. She needs to talk like a lady and make him feel like a man. The daughter in law told her MIL that she's willing to do anything sexually to make her husband happy but he doesn't communicate with her well in that. Considering both of them were virgins when they married, it's no wonder that they can't teach each other anything and it's not much fun in the sack.

I told my RW not to tell her son what his wife is saying behind his back and she should not tell much more people about this. It will psychologically damage him if he knows his wife is talking behind his back about his lack of performance. I told her to tell her daughter in law to act more lady like and not to wait for him to intiate sex. She should be more aggressive and to take the first step in sex by stimulating him by stroking his package every night. Girls! That stuff works to get a guy going. I know!

Yes, I am that close to some RW that I can talk about things like that with them.

Her expressed promises look good to me. At the same time, is she a kind of person who stick to her word, once given?

In case she uses her mom as a kind of mediator for communicating feelings, this may be good in case she and her mom are really close. Here it seems to me that the mother steers her behavior the way the mother deems good and necessary. Mother is her boss now. I wonder what happens if and when Billy marries A and takes her to the States. How A will do without her mom?

I'll be answering your questions in a near future post.

Billy: Have you and 'A' been alone together yet or is Mom always there?

Yes, we've been alone a number of times. There were times we went out alone and times mom wasn't around because she went to visit friends I didn't get to meet.


A few days in Ivano-Frankivsk


I forgot to mention in my last post when in the Carpathian mountains we stopped at a bazaar with all kinds of native Ukrainian souvenirs for sale and the ladies went wild shopping for me although I was out of grivnas since there was no money exchange around. They bought souvenirs for me, my kids and my mom.

Back in Ivano-Frankivsk as time was nearing to an end, I reminded A that I wanted to take her and her mom to a very nice restaurant and I felt they have not accepted my invitation. A tells me she'll go but to ask her mom so I go into the other room and ask mom.

Me: Mom, I want to take you and A to a nice restaurant before I go back home.

Mom: Will the restaurant serve authentic Ukrainian food? (Living in Libya, I know both mom and A has a big craving for real Ukrainian food)

Me: Yes, whatever you want

Mom: Will there be live music?

Me: Yes, whatever you want.

Mom: Will there be dancing?

Me: Yes, whatever you want and I'll even invite your friend L and her daughter O too.

Mom: (pausing and thinking) Okay! I will go!


We hit the restaurant and the food and service was excellent. The live music was old style Ukrainian stuff. Mom goes over to another table and asks a man to dance and he accepts. Mom is a bold lady and she goes after and usually gets what she wants. Mom also tells me to drink vodka and I have 6 shots in an hour and it was the first time in my life I felt drunk. For about 30 minutes I couldn't think straight but the effects wore off soon enough. A does not drink vodka but has a glass of wine. Cost for the big meal and drinks for 5 people was approximately $85. Everything seems cheaper the further I travel away from Kiev. I would suspect a meal like this for five in a nice restaurant in Kiev may go for no less than $200.

We head to the disco and A asks me to dance with all the ladies in our party and I do. A is considerate and not jealous if I'm dancing with her mom, L and O. She is more concerned about everyone having fun than anyone stealing me away from her.

[facetrock]

 Billy no disrespect intended but... from what you've written I think A's mother wants to bang you til the cows come home

[BC]

lol facetrock, wouldn't be the first milf to use daughter as a lure.

[Faux Pas]

Billy no disrespect intended but... from what you've written I think A's mother wants to bang you til the cows come home

You mean she likes that Billy is a strong man and how long he lasts in bed? 

[BillyB]

Me thinks some of you are jealous because my MIL(Mother in Law) is better than yours. Does your MIL shove money down another woman's bra in public or give you a high quality sex education? I think not.

A few days in Ivano-Frankivsk

On the second to the last day in Ivano-Frankivsk, mom's friend L washed my clothes and brought them to our flat that didn't have a washing machine and dryer. The ladies ironed my clothes and I packed them away.

 I had a serious talk with A. Before my trip I asked her how she seen her future and what she expects from a husband in marriage and how she will be as a wife. Now face to face I asked her the same question except how she views me in her future and as her future husband. Those questions were not presented to her as a marriage proposal but to get a read on her thoughts. I wouldn't propose to a woman on a first visit but if I like her, I wouldn't leave without making sure we were in an exclusive relationship. The woman I'd be visiting would know that there isn't any doubt of my feelings for her either.

A told me she made up her mind about me even before I visited Ukraine. She knew I was the man for her. I felt that before my visit too. I would not have visited her or any woman that I felt wasn't serious about meeting me to judge if we could spend a lifetime together. She repeated the promises that she'll never leave me or hurt me. She said she has a lot to learn but she will learn and would be a good wife and mother.

I told her that her that I want to make a commitment to her and that I'll be back for her. Because of the circumstances that she lives in Libya and I may not get a visa to visit her there and she can't just leave Libya anytime without their permission, I told her that it may be a long time before we see each other again. I explained to her what the k-1 visa is and the process. We ended up getting mom involved in this talk because mom is the one that can have her company write a special note that gives them permission to leave. Normally they get one vacation a year and that's been used up and the next is scheduled for Fall next year. I don't want to wait that long to visit so my plan was to come home and if things didn't go sour after a while, get the k-1 done before having to wait a year to see A again.

We were sitting in the kitchen and mom started to prepare food. I mention that mom seems to do most the cooking and cleaning. A goes into defense mode and claims she helps mom a lot but mom says she doesn't want A to do so much in the house because she has to study. I believe mom and tell A I want her to help her mom more often and the more she learns now, the easier life will be when she has her own family. The word want is a pretty strong word in the Western world but it should be used with your FSU woman if she respects you. A once asked me if I wanted to here or there and I said "It doesn't make a difference to me". A said "That's not an answer. Tell me what you want". Alright. I told A what I want and we did it(no pun intended).

Mom asked why I told A to help her when she wants A to study. I told mom her current education won't be any good in America.

After eating mom and A were having a disagreement in Ukrainian and mom says in English "You should learn from Bill how to respect. Even I learned from Bill a new level of respect"

On my last day in Ivano-Frankivsk I was alone all day with A. Mom went to visit her friends. Passing by the flower vendors, I bought A a bouquet of roses.

Here are some more photos of the day we ate at the Ukrainian restaurant. I chopped some people out of the photos. One photo is of A and I sitting down at the table. I just had 6 shots of vodka. Mom is a smart lady and everything she does probably has a purpose in her attempt to evaluate me. I think mom wanted to see if I'd turn into a depressed man or angry animal. I conducted myself well and was smiling and feeling happy after the vodka.

What do you guys think? Do we look like a good pair or is A out of my league? She beats me in looks by a hair only because my hair is receding faster than the ice in Antarctica. But! My mind is much sharper than A's even though she knows 5 languages. By the way A is into me and based off the way she bahaves, she thinks of me as a MAN. She can officially call me her MAN now.

[Jumper]

Me thinks some of you are jealous because my MIL(Mother in Law) is better than yours. Does your MIL shove money down another woman's bra in public or give you a high quality sex education? I think not.

Certainly not  jealous billyB.

You have been really open in this thread and taken most thoughts well,,
If you actually want honest input and thoughts..


If a possible future MIL of mine acted in the ways you've described ..
 I would  find it somewhat odd ,and not  entirely appropriate behavior.It i stha simple.
While I might find her amusing,, or even admire her forthrightness, it still would bring
many questions in my mind about her background ,personality,  and social level in her society regardless any degree , education level, or occupation.
Basically i'd find her a bit weird , and wonder if it was simply a personality quirk,or if it was related to her up bringing and backgrounds ,and how much it effected her daughter.

If you consider what you have shared in this thread of her  input during on sexual education "high quality"
especially coming from a doctor,
 i'd also seriously question your sanity.
If she has been the main source of sex education for her daughter, I would not consider it a positive.

Listen billy, having a goofy MIL is ok,, i do not doubt at all that she is likable and charismatic.
but from your posts she comes off far more the known " odd ball" at the family gathering ,
 that simply raises eyebrows  and is tolerated ,maybe even  amusing.
Might not be how she is,, but this is the vibe from your portrayal here.
You arn't contemplating marrying her anyway....


As far as you and A.. .
I believe more people would think you her step-father than husband,
hey you asked what people think.She happens to not only be just 18 yo,  but also to me looks her age, or even younger..Billy , you are  a normal enough looking guy ,,maybe even young for your age,, but  a little spare tire..balding, etc..also normal for your age.
When people see an attractive  teenager (she certainly does not look any older than that)
with a man your age, thickening belly and thinning hair, step father/daughter I believe is  what is going to naturally come to mind at first glance. If seen as a couple at a restaurant, i just don't think first glance would be a married couple.
but who cares?

What other people think on first impression, doesn't matter anyway.
As long as *A* can handle this general vibe.
As mentioned before ,I'm sure you can,
 I would think you'd have some  concerns about whether a somewhat sheltered *A *can.


As far as your proposal to try a one week wonder route ,because of the added difficulties of being able to see each other due to her unique situation..

well you knew that going in.. and its why i questioned your sanity from the beginning of chasing a teenager ,
in libya , a country that if things did progress or went well, you'd have very little opportunity to follow up face to face.

The time you spent with her, doesn't seem like you guys were really in a romantic adult relationship,
 but maybe you just dint share that part.
There certainly was far far more written about your interaction with her mother, with other people, and her mothers friends..
We dint see many entrees of just the two of you going to dinner ,eating as a couple at the flat , walking in the park ,,seeing the sites, and 'how" you interacted then..
only a few brief mentions with photos.
 So it gives the appearance that  mom was along more than a bit of it, and it seems natural  from her daughters age.(if she was a true  adult,with a career/ life of her own /this scenario would be bizarre ,but as it is ,it seems normal)
  While you appear to have asked daughters feelings on some key subjects ,you often seem to have gotten far more input from mom, valuable input?perhaps..
but A's input would seem far more important ,and from what you posted she comes off as exactly as expceted for a teenager with idealistic dreams but no life experience on being on her own, or in adult relationships.
.

BillyB, you take an already risky situation,, of marrying a foreigner,
then chase someone not only far younger ,but a teen
 (if you where 55 and she was 27 i simply find those better odds)
you are twice her age ..
add in that you seemingly din't spend a typical "couples vacation " getting to know each other ,
 and that you likely cannot see each other again in any reasonable time frame,so you may just do a K! ...


and you ask what we think?

 


I really think that 3 years ago if any member had come here with this basic story line, you would have advised against them following the path in the first place.

You are  someone with a lot of experience and options,  picking the very least likely odds for a good possible outcome ,and simply hoping to be that one exception again..
making a very big life decision for both you and her,
based on what?
 your gut feel about the character, integrity , and long term life desires,,of a 18yo,
,that has little to no adult life experience, and still lives at home with mom.


I really think you are playing Russian roulette with 5 chambers full.

I do wish you both the best,
I do not doubt her current thoughts or intentions, or your ability to read them.
but sorry I just can't imagine her  in a position in life now, to make a truly informed decision,and the given scenario doesnt seem to allow much chance for her to have much interaction with you to make such a decision.
 

[Nat]

Mom asked why I told A to help her when she wants A to study. I told mom her current education won't be any good in America.

Earlier you said:
"She is studying online and getting a European education and travels to Europe for her exams."

What's wrong with European education?

[Boethius]

Does your MIL shove money down another woman's bra in public or give you a high quality sex education? I think not.

If, at 41 years of age, your MIL is giving you a "high quality sex education", you have problems that shouldn't be foisted upon an 18 year old "virgin".

We were sitting in the kitchen and mom started to prepare food. I mention that mom seems to do most the cooking and cleaning. A goes into defense mode and claims she helps mom a lot but mom says she doesn't want A to do so much in the house because she has to study. I believe mom and tell A I want her to help her mom more often and the more she learns now, the easier life will be when she has her own family.

Evidence that A is still a child and not ready for marriage.

What do you guys think?

The way A poses tells me she is more sophisticated than you think.  Sorry, but I also see from the body language in all these photos that A is not in love with you, or even in lust.

[GQBlues]

What do you guys think? Do we look like a good pair or is A out of my league?

I don't believe in silly leagues, BillyB. Do you?

If you have good reasons to wed and take her home and give her the chance to wallow in your backyard talent pool, I suppose you'd find the answer to that question soon enough for yourself.

Why did you cut Mumski's picture out?

[tim 360]

What do you guys think?     You asked.  You won't like it but it is sincere.  Billy I think you really should think this whole marriage thingie to an 18 year old girl over.  Seriously, consult a professional and get their feedback on the drawbacks/positives of you marrying an 18 year old FSU girl.  You will probably not heed their words but at least you will get an educated and informed opinion.  One thing is for sure is that once she gets here she will have a whole lot of growing-up changes ahead of her.  Good luck!  Godspeed.

[acrzybear]

Sorry, but I also see from the body language in all these photos that A is not in love with you, or even in lust.

 I don't know if I am what could be qualified as an expert on body language, but having done the cop thing since 1995 I would like to think I've become somewhat competent in reading people, so with that said I would have to agree with Boethius.

 I went back and looked at all of the photographs you 've posted and I don't see the body language of a woman in love (or even infatuation).  But hey BillyB , you're the man so does it really matter what others think?    It almost feels like you're seeking some sort of validation from the members here, Just be the man you're always saying you are and just do what you want-damn everyone else.  

[siberia]

You asked: I am a woman, and I do not see anything of love towards you from A. In the photos together, you look like stepfather and daughter (not father and daughter because of the obvious ethnic differences).  You will do what you want, but all I can do is wish you good luck. Mom would be a better match for you.

[BillyB]

Earlier you said:
"She is studying online and getting a European education and travels to Europe for her exams."

What's wrong with European education?

Some things studied in one country don't transfer to another country successfully. For example, if a person studies to be a nurse in the Phillipines or England, they can work as a nurse in America. If they have their nursing degree from Japan, Germany, or France, they would have to restudy to be a nurse in America.

Evidence that A is still a child and not ready for marriage.

The way A poses tells me she is more sophisticated than you think. 

Is she a sophisticated woman or a child?

Sorry, but I also see from the body language in all these photos that A is not in love with you, or even in lust.

Guys, I don't have photos where A is jumping up and down waving at me as I exit the doors of baggage claim at the airport. I don't have a photo where I'm shirtless laying my head on A's lap while she rubs her fingers through my hair and her other hand rubs my chest. Earlier in the thread I mention I told mom A has little experience with men and how to interact with them. In less than a week she's come a long way due to my behavior with her. As I mentioned earlier she is taking my arm and hands while walking down the street without me having to initiate hand holding during our first days together.

Why did you cut Mumski's picture out?

I know a lot of you guys want to see mom since since you have the hots for her and the word "mom" has taken on a whole new meaning but sorry, I'm not going to post her photos.

Billy I think you really should think this whole marriage thingie to an 18 year old girl over.  Seriously, consult a professional and get their feedback on the drawbacks/positives of you marrying an 18 year old FSU girl.  You will probably not heed their words but at least you will get an educated and informed opinion.

A good professional would evaluate my mentality and motives to understand if they're sincere and sane. I'm sure I'd pass the test. I've already made my decision and nobody can change my mind except me or A. The more I hang around mom and her friends which are also doctors, the more they like me and think I'm a fine catch for A. I can associate with grown adults and the more they learn about me the less insane they will think my decisions in life are. Mom was worried about me at first but within the first day we are talking like friends. When A sees the people she respects respect me, it only confirms her thoughts that she made a good choice in me.

Can everyone agree that A is a beautiful lady? I believe mom when she says that guys are always asking for her number at the beach. She has a lot of attention from men on the internet too. I'm happy A has choices in life. It makes me feel better that she didn't settle for me because I'm the only guy that would talk to her. She had choices and lots to think about and out of all the guys that approached her, she chose me.

It almost feels like you're seeking some sort of validation from the members here

I don't need validation. I do like to hear what some of you think and I know I'd get some negative comments. The good news is my hair is not receding as fast as the ice in Antarctica. Writing this thread doesn't help my reputation but some people can read the results I'm getting out of dating locally and internationally and can compare notes. They may pick up on something and do a better job in their search and personal life. It not only helps them but it benefits the ladies that enter into the guy's life. Sometimes I wish I could post the photos of the other ladies I've dated not to rub it in people's faces but to prove a point that finding a beautiful women to go out on dates with is not about luck. Choose wisely the places to search for women. Presentation of who you are is important and then delivery. A is the 6th woman this year who would marry me if I proposed.

You will do what you want

Yes, I will do what I want. Although the internet crowd doesn't want it, the people I know in real life have no problem with it and most importantly, A wants it. Why do you think the people that know me have no problems with my decisions? How do I influence and win over people within minutes or hours like mom and her friends? If any of you out there have trouble getting people to like you within the first time you meet them, maybe it's time for some changes or a major overhaul.



Recently the past few months I've called my ex financee who lives in Uzbekistan less and less often. She doesn't ask me if I'm seeing another woman but she feels I am moving away based on the fewer phone calls and for a long time, I haven't talked about any plans to be together with her.  My ex fiancee is becoming more distant with me on the phone based on my lack of action and lack of talk of making a life together. Soon I will stop calling her. I've already sent notice to the consular in Uzbekistan, NVC(National Visa Center and USCIS to cancel her k-1 visa. Although the visa was approved over a year ago and never picked up, it is still valid.

[Jumper]

Guys, I don't have photos where A is jumping up and down waving at me as I exit the doors of baggage claim at the airport. I don't have a photo where I'm shirtless laying my head on A's lap while she rubs her fingers through my hair and her other hand rubs my chest.

understood billy,
and for what its worth i wasn't commenting about A's interaction with you in the photos ,
those are mere moments in time , and  to be taken lightly in my opinion.
I dont feel they tell a complete story either way.

Earlier in the thread I mention I told mom A has little experience with men and how to interact with them. In less than a week she's come a long way due to my behavior with her. As I mentioned earlier she is taking my arm and hands while walking down the street without me having to initiate hand holding during our first days together

Well that's the weird part for me billyb..
 i just wouldn't have interest in someone so young or inexperienced in adult relationships,
 that in the one week (or two) we might have together forming a relationship,
much of it would be spent with chaperons , and not living together somewhat normally,,
and that she would be *learning how* to interact or behave naturally with her man.
Add in the complication of not seeing her for a long time ,if ever , before a K1 ,and it's just hard for me to fathom.
 

but it's good that we arnt all  alike ,, or life would be pretty boring !!
and despite my thoughts or advise being maybe a bit harsh,
 i certainly wish the best for you both  of you ,in whatever paths you choose to follow.
 
  

[Boethius]

A girl can be sophisticated in the way she presents herself, yet too immature to enter into a marital relationship.  A child who becomes defensive and argues is not ready for marriage. 

This girl is not the naive waif you seem to think she is.  That doesn't mean she is ready to be a wife, particularly to a man who has the baggage of an ex wife and children.

As for the photos, AJ, I think you are wrong.  There is nothing in the way A poses with Billy, or in her eyes that suggests any love or affection for him.  I had a few photos of me with my husband at about that time, just after we met (now in my MIL's possession), and you can tell we are in love.  Go over to the photo gallery, and look at the photos of Dan and Olya, or Vaughn and Elvira, or Jet with his wife.  You will see women who are in love.  Billy's photos are empty.  There's a reason for the adage "a picture is worth a thousand words".

[Jumper]

A girl can be sophisticated in the way she presents herself, yet too immature to enter into a marital relationship.  A child who becomes defensive and argues is not ready for marriage. 

This girl is not the naive waif you seem to think she is.  That doesn't mean she is ready to be a wife, particularly to a man who has the baggage of an ex wife and children.

As for the photos, AJ, I think you are wrong.  There is nothing in the way A poses with Billy, or in her eyes that suggests any love or affection for him.  I had a few photos of me with my husband at about that time, just after we met (now in my MIL's possession), and you can tell we are in love.  Go over to the photo gallery, and look at the photos of Dan and Olya, or Vaughn and Elvira, or Jet with his wife.  You will see women who are in love.  Billy's photos are empty.  There's a reason for the adage "a picture is worth a thousand words".

I actually agree that photos can show a lot,
 but singularly, to me,
 not so much,, as anyone can take a bad  or good photo in a given nano second of flash.

A series of photos might be more revealing, i just dint see many photos of just the two of them,, they were  mostly in group situations.

[Boethius]

There were several of them together over the course of the posts.  A's poses in each "struck" me in several respects, and one thing that is glaringly obvious is that she is not into Billy, though I'm certain she says the right words.

[Jooky]

That's very interesting Boethius. I agree more with AJ, these are just some snapshots in time.

I've definitely seen photos of 'couples' that are just not right, usually with the guy attempting to smother his 'gal' while she's leaning away with a bored expression on her face.
But also, some couples are more affectionate and expressive than others. Billy's photos seem ok to me. At least she doesn't seem repulsed. 

What do you see or not see exactly in the photos?

[Boethius]

She doesn't lean into him the way a girl (particularly, a girl in her first serious relationship), even a reserved girl, would.  Her eyes are empty.  There is no evidence of affection, let alone love, for him.   

[Jooky]

About the eyes, I think it's easier to judge when you take a picture of someone (and it reveals the look they give to you).

I'm not going to completely disagree, but I see some affection. I've definitely seen photos of couples that showed a lot less. :noidea:

[acrzybear]

What do you see or not see exactly in the photos?

 Her body language, her smile and her eyes.

In the last set of pictures BillyB posted- the first he is leaning into her and had his arm around her waist, but she is leaning slightly away and has her arm on his shoulder. This comes across as more of a friend picture.

In the second picture Billy is leaning on the table closing the distance between the two of them, but she has her arm on the edge of the table and is sitting with her back straight.  She is a beautiful young lady, however I don't see the admiration/love/lust that Billy says she has for him.

 But does it really matter what we think? Billy is the one that has to live with his decisions and the comments if they do go forward.

[GoodOlBoy]

What do you guys think?

To put it politely BB, I think you are delusional.
BUT...This has the makings to be the stuff of "RWD folklore".
Hell if this plays out the way I think it will, you will be like the Christmas gift that keeps giving and giving year-round, to all of us here! :evil:
I can't wait for the future "installment posts" of this debacle!
Please continue.

GOB