Hi, I'm Jason

[GQBlues]

Thanks Jason...I must've glossed over that part the first time as when I read it again, it did jogged the memory bank.
 
I'm glad you kept your relations with Val.

[Patagonie]

Daveman  you hit the nail right on the head!
IMO this girl was spoiled from day one. I contributed to spoiling her even more.
I told her things that inflated her ego to gigantinc proportions.
I treated her like she was the queen and did everything for her.
I did this because in my past relationships, I did not praise my lover, and that made me a "selfish asshole"
So in hindsight, I should have told her how things really were, not how she wanted  to hear them.
I ignored a lot of bad behaviour  from her, because I wanted to be a better person.
I bit my tongue a lot and held back my true opinions of her.

Live and learn.

First Jason thank you to share this story. Each time it's a difficult time for the OP, because bad memories come back from the past. Also a lot of guys blame him. So it's very courageous and also very profitable and for newbies and also for every human, men and women.
 I think also this can help you because this can work like a catharsis.
 
 I invite you to look on internet about NPD in the DS IV M. NPD means narcissic personality disorder, or eventually HPD, histrionic personality disorder.
 
 To finish something is shocking  for me when you say "I treated her like she was the queen and did everything for her. I did this because in my past relationships, I did not praise my lover, and that made me a "selfish asshole".
Not praise your lover is the right thing to do (common mistake of many men you praise a woman because she is beautiful)
You can love, you can be romantic, you can make gift, you can be charming, you can speak the true language of love and not praise her. You just need to tell her what is true about her qualities without exageration, AND also kick her ass when she desserves it. If she don't like and if she don't understand that she desserves because of her bad behavior so you have lost nothing, i mean it was not a good person for you, she bails out and next.

And also : I ignored a lot of bad behaviour  from her, because I wanted to be a better person.
I bit my tongue a lot and held back my true opinions of her.
The negation of yourself has never won a relation or keep a love affair in time. If she don't accept from the beginning that your money and your possibilities are limited she is not the right woman for you because no story can be based of a full world of fantasy. And you have nothing to change Jason, you are already a good person, you don't need to be a better one. She, SHE needs to be better, not you.

About what i have said previously, question of court. With this type of girl it is endlsess whatever your court es : they ask a coat, after, a ring, after a Porsche, after a flat, it's endless.

You remember Jason when i talked about a woman who asked an iphone ?
I dropped her on the sidewalk but after we exchange few communications : this is the letter i sent her.  despite the problem of iphone there was mutual attraction, it was not a pure scam.  In fact she had be a model, AND she understand her life irrigated with money, probably because from her early 20 she used to be treated like a princess, and men DID it. The profile in EM i found of her few months later shows it clearly, she expects a "generous" man. But she is already 29.

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Because you are an intelligent person i invite you to read this, just few things about men.
When a man after a second meeting write : "i think before your departure it would be fine to get acquainted better.
I have free tonight and so we can plan tomorrow (dance party)" he is making a move
When a man take the hand of a woman he is making a move.
For a man as he has already made  a move, it's more and more difficult to do the same with an other woman few hours later or the day after. I can even say that more he moves and more incomfortable he is with other women.
When a guy spend time with a women he is not with others. More time  a girl spends with a guy and more he feels connected, provided that both have an interest for each other. More a guy spend time in a relation (he is investing) and less he is interested by an other woman.

The girl who is not making a move, if she is really interested by a man, is making higher the chances that the guy dumps her quickly (because he cannot stay for age) for an other.
Exemple of not making the move : rather than to call him to schedule next meeting the day before her travel, she asks him to call and decline to see the guy when he proposes to meet in the evening.
With such answer (perhaps you were tired  but more often this is a typical woman BS) the guy is not rewarded for his SMS and he feels more comfortable to have two meetings scheduled the day after.
When a girl after only three hours of meeting is suddenly asking something which is :   
 By nature is a threat for his security (i have both iphone because i had had already one crashed in Ukraine)   
 By nature is highly embarrassing (because there are a lot of very personnal informations in this sort of mobile)   
 Costs at least 600 $

When such thing happen with an experiment guy :
She is turning herself in game over mode.
She shows that she is  "crazy/stupid/childish \  put here what you want.

A serious guy lose instantly his interest for her. And begin to think :
Today for holding hand it's 600$
Tomorrow for kissing a shop trip for few thousands $
To get engaged : buy her an appartement of 100 000 $

Everybody can may mistake, mine had been to tell you that i was having meetings.
I don't know who you have met before, guys who are throwing the money away
and buy flowers every sidewalk, to what : raise your attention and get your ass ?
This sort of things will not happen with me as i want to support a family and enjoy my money with my wife. As, and an husband responsable and a parent who thinks for his childrens, i want to protect my family and even if i die i want her to continue her life without any money worries.
If i make a gift it's because i've decided, and because you DESSERVE it.

If you are comfortable with those guys Y it's time to get married with one of them, i've no problem with your choice, there are many women in Ukraine for me, just a question of time.

Last thing : you miss signs where they are : the guy SMS you back quickly, he cancelled meetings, came with crunchies eyes saying : "W please don't kill me" and half an hour after he was holding your hand. And he was proposing a very romantical ballad on the Dnepr.

I hope that your undestand my opinion and how i manage my life.
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Guess what Jason ? She didn't show a strong desire to pursue this communication. For what i know she is always on the market and i am engaged with an other.

[ECOCKS]

These women are toxic, damaging everything they come in contact to a greater or lesser degree.

Staying in touch with her, even for some sort of perceived punishment or comeuppance, is not healthy for you.

[Daveman]

These women are toxic, damaging everything they come in contact to a greater or lesser degree.

Staying in touch with her, even for some sort of perceived punishment or comeuppance, is not healthy for you.

+1
and
+1


Best to burn that bridge completely. 

[Slumba]

Jason if it is any consolation, your thread has helped me come to a decision on someone I have been communicating with. 

She is/was quite attractive, but now has  a young child after a brief marriage to a Turk that hit her, and her maturity level is still lacking, she does not seem to have good budgeting ability, etc. and her personal life is a bit in chaos.  She is fixated on her appearance also.

Yes, her history includes at 20, a 40yo British guy paying for her apartment for 3 years, and I am sure many other choice bits of history that I do not know and really do not care to know... time for me to sack up and declare it over and done ...

[Gator]

I predict that she will meet some wife buyer 20  years older and Marry him after knowing him on line for less than 6 months and meeting him in person one time.

That's the natural progression, as folows: 

1st - a genuine boyfriend (you, the only difference is that you were American rather than Russian because of circumstance).   

2nd - when the boyfriend does not give her all the gold she desires, she replaces him (you) with a RM to sponsor her while she attends a university (sponsor is same as kept woman in American lingo) .

3rd -  the sponsor  discards her when she proves too difficult, so she finds another RM sponsor, probably older and wealthier than the first sponsor and probably married.

4th - she reaches 29 years old and the second sponsor (if he is still around) discards her because he wants younger flesh.

5th - she is ignored by all RM men who have the means to sponsor her because they want younger RW, so she pursues the MOB agency alternative.

6th, 7th, 8th,.... - downward spiral continues.
 

When she does not get everything she wants, I predict that she will leave him and divorce him, taking every penny.

Taking every penny?  No, family law does not work that way for short marriage, no children.   No, she will need to work and without a university degree in some high demand profession, her income will amount to peanuts.  Hence my 6th, 7th, 8th ...above.  The end is not pretty.

I predict that someday I will see a photo of her in her 30's and she will not resemble the same girl.

Perish the thought of seeing her again.  ECOKS is correct, "These women are toxic, damaging everything they come in contact to a greater or lesser degree."

Jason, you felt love with a beautiful woman.  While fleeting,  it made you feel like you were on Cloud 9.  She is beautiful on the outside, and you were even able to bring out what good she had on the inside.  Yet she was too corrupt on the inside for the good to prevail. 

You seem to enjoy the Russian culture.  If so, I suggest that you give RW another chance.   There are plenty of good-hearted RW.  Nevertheless, they still are women and you know what that means.   
 
Again, I enjoyed your writing style.  You remind me of a sensitive soul who deserved better. 

 

[Eduard]

I think that I had better not say.  I will say, that the names and some of the places have been changed as  this information could be used in ways I can not yet conceive.
To tell the truth, I would love to post her name and location and a link to this thread with a big warning sign.

  Somehow your story keeps screaming "Ukraine!!!" at me. Surely there are women to stay away from in Russia as well but in this particular case I'd bet she is from Ukraine. With so many WM choosing Ukraine over Russia to look for a wife I think it's important to point out that this kind of "User Culture" is very prominent in Ukraine, much more so than in Russia IMO, and that men should exercise even more caution when looking for a life partner in Ukraine.

[noelscot]

  Somehow your story keeps screaming "Ukraine!!!" at me. Surely there are women to stay away from in Russia as well but in this particular case I'd bet she is from Ukraine. With so many WM choosing Ukraine over Russia to look for a wife I think it's important to point out that this kind of "User Culture" is very prominent in Ukraine, much more so than in Russia IMO, and that men should exercise even more caution when looking for a life partner in Ukraine.

Just wanted to say that I am in Odessa, Ukraine, right now and these are some of the kindest people I have ever had the pleasure to meet. I've never been to Russia, and I do not have the proper frame of reference, but I dated a RW, and in general, have liked the Ukrainian women better. But I digress, I think it is inaccurate to say there are more UW users than RW users. There are bad people everywhere. Maybe Russia's economy is further along and there is less need for dog eat dog survival tactics. But overall, I don't see Ukraine as a poor country that needs a WM to "use." These women are strong and can get by on their own, and do.  The worst "user culture" of all are the rich Amerikanyets who come over here with the mindset that Ukraine is some poor, 2 1/2 world country, barely capable of indoor plumbing. (Ok, I think the water is turning me Ukrainian!) This is the same attitude northerners have about the southern USA, but we know it is very stereotypical and a caricature. I'm not saying that you are dogging Ukraine, but I feel that a man looking for a sincere Lady would be remiss to OVERLOOK such a great country, with warm, caring people, just because you advised them that Russia had less "users." A man should look everywhere for true love, including his own country.  

[Eduard]

Just wanted to say that I am in Odessa, Ukraine, right now and these are some of the kindest people I have ever had the pleasure to meet. I've never been to Russia, and I do not have the proper frame of reference, but I dated a RW, and in general, have liked the Ukrainian women better. But I digress, I think it is inaccurate to say there are more UW users than RW users. There are bad people everywhere. Maybe Russia's economy is further along and there is less need for dog eat dog survival tactics. But overall, I don't see Ukraine as a poor country that needs a WM to "use." These women are strong and can get by on their own, and do.  The worst "user culture" of all are the rich Amerikanyets who come over here with the mindset that Ukraine is some poor, 2 1/2 world country, barely capable of indoor plumbing. (Ok, I think the water is turning me Ukrainian!) This is the same attitude northerners have about the southern USA, but we know it is very stereotypical and a caricature. I'm not saying that you are dogging Ukraine, but I feel that a man looking for a sincere Lady would be remiss to OVERLOOK such a great country, with warm, caring people, just because you advised them that Russia had less "users." A man should look everywhere for true love, including his own country.

I'm not prejudice against Ukraine. 3 of my grandparents came from Ukraine and my dad was born and raised in Ukraine. I have several cousins who I love very much in Ukraine. I have friends from Ukraine (as a matter of fact they are from Odessa). I spent much time in both Russia and Ukraine and I'm a native speaker so I'm not prejudging any one, just making an observation based on personal experience. I agree with you that there are wonderful people and terrible people in any country so my observation isn't directed toward any particular person or persons. But I'm speaking of the overall culture of the place. I agree with you that a man who wants to find an FSU wife should look everywhere, and this is exactly what I always do with my clients. We never exclude Ukraine from our search, however my clients always have a much better luck with women from Russia (they are the ones who pick, not me!).
You yourself made a generalisation based on 1 experience dating 1 Russian woman. And here you are saying: "but I dated a RW, and in general, have liked the Ukrainian women better". You prolly have 0.01% of my FSU women experience yet it's OK for you to make an observation like this and state your opinion. Why isn't it OK for me to state my opinion based on my experience?


You wrote: "Maybe Russia's economy is further along and there is less need for dog eat dog survival tactics" I agree with you, economy probably has to do with the "culture" nevertheless it is there and shouldn't be dismissed or ignored. A WM shouldn't go there thinking that all women are honest, family oriented little angels. And they should be aware of a strong possibility of meeting another "Yana" in Ukraine because percentage wise there are more "Yanas" in Ukraine than in Russia in my experience.

[Muzh]

  Somehow your story keeps screaming "Ukraine!!!" at me. Surely there are women to stay away from in Russia as well but in this particular case I'd bet she is from Ukraine. With so many WM choosing Ukraine over Russia to look for a wife I think it's important to point out that this kind of "User Culture" is very prominent in Ukraine, much more so than in Russia IMO, and that men should exercise even more caution when looking for a life partner in Ukraine.

Pigeon Pellets!

IF the man does nothing to recognize the incoming danger, it will happen with any woman from any part of the world.

Please stop perpetuating the "she bad; you not at fault" BS.

[Gator]

... time for me to sack up and declare it over and done ...

Good decision.  I mentioned your example in a new thread.
 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14498.msg291186#msg291186

[Eduard]

Pigeon Pellets!

IF the man does nothing to recognize the incoming danger, it will happen with any woman from any part of the world.

Please stop perpetuating the "she bad; you not at fault" BS.

come on now, give Jason a break! He fell in love with a beautiful girl and lost his head. It is hard or sometimes even impossible to be objective and make the right decisions when you are in love. Haven't you ever been there, Muzh?
Jason sounds like a romantic guy who truly fell in love with this girl and prolly would have given his life for her under the right circumstances. You can't be rational under these circumstances. On the other hand she was a cold, calculating user who squeezed him for everything she could.
I think that Jason came out of it a better man and also I think that it's better to experience love like that at least once in your life than live it never to have fallen in love even once.
Jason is a good guy, with soul, he will find a great woman who will love him and will make him very happy, I can sense this.

[noelscot]

I'm not prejudice against Ukraine. 3 of my grandparents came from Ukraine and my dad was born and raised in Ukraine. I have several cousins who I love very much in Ukraine. I have friends from Ukraine (as a matter of fact they are from Odessa). I spent much time in both Russia and Ukraine and I'm a native speaker so I'm not prejudging any one, just making an observation based on personal experience. I agree with you that there are wonderful people and terrible people in any country so my observation isn't directed toward any particular person or persons. But I'm speaking of the overall culture of the place. I agree with you that a man who wants to find an FSU wife should look everywhere, and this is exactly what I always do with my clients. We never exclude Ukraine from our search, however my clients always have a much better luck with women from Russia (they are the ones who pick, not me!).
You yourself made a generalisation based on 1 experience dating 1 Russian woman. And here you are saying: "but I dated a RW, and in general, have liked the Ukrainian women better". You prolly have 0.01% of my FSU women experience yet it's OK for you to make an observation like this and state your opinion. Why isn't it OK for me to state my opinion based on my experience?


You wrote: "Maybe Russia's economy is further along and there is less need for dog eat dog survival tactics" I agree with you, economy probably has to do with the "culture" nevertheless it is there and shouldn't be dismissed or ignored. A WM shouldn't go there thinking that all women are honest, family oriented little angels. And they should be aware of a strong possibility of meeting another "Yana" in Ukraine because percentage wise there are more "Yanas" in Ukraine than in Russia in my experience.

LOL.

 
link:

[ECOCKS]

Yes, yes, it's very important to spend hours discussing whether you should apply the peanut butter to the bread left to right or right to left. Wars have been fought for less.

[newjason]

Jason if it is any consolation, your thread has helped me come to a decision on someone I have been communicating with. 

She is/was quite attractive, but now has  a young child after a brief marriage to a Turk that hit her, and her maturity level is still lacking, she does not seem to have good budgeting ability, etc. and her personal life is a bit in chaos.  She is fixated on her appearance also.

Yes, her history includes at 20, a 40yo British guy paying for her apartment for 3 years, and I am sure many other choice bits of history that I do not know and really do not care to know... time for me to sack up and declare it over and done ...

Slumba,
I am glad you found something of substance in my writings , I feel bad bad that it has led you to part ways with your  lady friend, But  I think you are smart and you can see what is happening to you by seeing what happened to me.  So, I congratulate you on your decision to take the high road and not get sucked in to the messes. It sounds like these girls all have a script that they read from doesn't it? the same old script, written long ago, they just change the actors and locations. I know this was no easy decision for you, but  I can tell without a doubt, you made the right choice. 
 

[newjason]

First Jason thank you to share this story. Each time it's a difficult time for the OP, because bad memories come back from the past. Also a lot of guys blame him. So it's very courageous and also very profitable and for newbies and also for every human, men and women.
 I think also this can help you because this can work like a catharsis.
 
 I invite you to look on internet about NPD in the DS IV M. NPD means narcissic personality disorder, or eventually HPD, histrionic personality disorder.

I must disagree that  narcissic tendencies are a "disorder" . This label is just an excuse used to justify bad and deviant behaviour.
People choose how they act, and do it with free will. Therefore, they are not sick, they are just choosing not behave  normally.

 To finish something is shocking  for me when you say "I treated her like she was the queen and did everything for her. I did this because in my past relationships, I did not praise my lover, and that made me a "selfish asshole".
Not praise your lover is the right thing to do (common mistake of many men you praise a woman because she is beautiful)
You can love, you can be romantic, you can make gift, you can be charming, you can speak the true language of love and not praise her. You just need to tell her what is true about her qualities without exageration, AND also kick her ass when she desserves it. If she don't like and if she don't understand that she desserves because of her bad behavior so you have lost nothing, i mean it was not a good person for you, she bails out and next.

like I said before, I was just too nice to her.   I made her feel too good.  But, I will tell you that she will never find anyone like me again.  Although that is what she is searching for.  One thing about  that relationaship with her.. I can say, and she too,  That was the best time in my life. Nothing before or since has even come close to it.  In the beginnig it was real, but seemd better than real. I can't explain it,  it was as if we had known each other forever before we even met.  Too bad those moments of pleasure were then followed by equal moments of pain. 

And also : I ignored a lot of bad behaviour  from her, because I wanted to be a better person.
I bit my tongue a lot and held back my true opinions of her.
The negation of yourself has never won a relation or keep a love affair in time. If she don't accept from the beginning that your money and your possibilities are limited she is not the right woman for you because no story can be based of a full world of fantasy. And you have nothing to change Jason, you are already a good person, you don't need to be a better one. She, SHE needs to be better, not you.

You are right, but the only one who I can change is myself

About what i have said previously, question of court. With this type of girl it is endlsess whatever your court es : they ask a coat, after, a ring, after a Porsche, after a flat, it's endless.

yes, the unfortunate thing about greed is , that it is endless

You remember Jason when i talked about a woman who asked an iphone ?

Yes, I remember, you kicked her to the curb

I dropped her on the sidewalk but after we exchange few communications : this is the letter i sent her.  despite the problem of iphone there was mutual attraction, it was not a pure scam.  In fact she had be a model, AND she understand her life irrigated with money, probably because from her early 20 she used to be treated like a princess, and men DID it. The profile in EM i found of her few months later shows it clearly, she expects a "generous" man. But she is already 29.

So are you saying that because men treat her so, that they are to blame for her actions and her expectations? I think not, I think a girl can choose to accept this treatment and feel appreication and gratitude, or she can choose to feel like she is entitled to this from everyone and It is required because she is better than everyone else.   The first girl is a normal person, the second is a psychopath.

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Because you are an intelligent person i invite you to read this, just few things about men.
When a man after a second meeting write : "i think before your departure it would be fine to get acquainted better.
I have free tonight and so we can plan tomorrow (dance party)" he is making a move
When a man take the hand of a woman he is making a move.
For a man as he has already made  a move, it's more and more difficult to do the same with an other woman few hours later or the day after. I can even say that more he moves and more incomfortable he is with other women.
When a guy spend time with a women he is not with others. More time  a girl spends with a guy and more he feels connected, provided that both have an interest for each other. More a guy spend time in a relation (he is investing) and less he is interested by an other woman.

The girl who is not making a move, if she is really interested by a man, is making higher the chances that the guy dumps her quickly (because he cannot stay for age) for an other.
Exemple of not making the move : rather than to call him to schedule next meeting the day before her travel, she asks him to call and decline to see the guy when he proposes to meet in the evening.
With such answer (perhaps you were tired  but more often this is a typical woman BS) the guy is not rewarded for his SMS and he feels more comfortable to have two meetings scheduled the day after.
When a girl after only three hours of meeting is suddenly asking something which is :   
 By nature is a threat for his security (i have both iphone because i had had already one crashed in Ukraine)   
 By nature is highly embarrassing (because there are a lot of very personnal informations in this sort of mobile)   
 Costs at least 600 $

When such thing happen with an experiment guy :
She is turning herself in game over mode.
She shows that she is  "crazy/stupid/childish \  put here what you want.

A serious guy lose instantly his interest for her. And begin to think :
Today for holding hand it's 600$
Tomorrow for kissing a shop trip for few thousands $
To get engaged : buy her an appartement of 100 000 $

Everybody can may mistake, mine had been to tell you that i was having meetings.
I don't know who you have met before, guys who are throwing the money away
and buy flowers every sidewalk, to what : raise your attention and get your ass ?
This sort of things will not happen with me as i want to support a family and enjoy my money with my wife. As, and an husband responsable and a parent who thinks for his childrens, i want to protect my family and even if i die i want her to continue her life without any money worries.
If i make a gift it's because i've decided, and because you DESSERVE it.

If you are comfortable with those guys Y it's time to get married with one of them, i've no problem with your choice, there are many women in Ukraine for me, just a question of time.

Last thing : you miss signs where they are : the guy SMS you back quickly, he cancelled meetings, came with crunchies eyes saying : "W please don't kill me" and half an hour after he was holding your hand. And he was proposing a very romantical ballad on the Dnepr.

I hope that your undestand my opinion and how i manage my life.
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Guess what Jason ? She didn't show a strong desire to pursue this communication. For what i know she is always on the market and i am engaged with an other.

i understand. You got busted dating other women, She did not like that, and she figured as long as  you were playing the field, she would make a play for an iphone.  Well you saw her for what she was. She saw you as a way to get a phone.   


This is some great stuff Pat. I enjoy conversations with you. The way you choose to word your phrases is  awesome.

" I dropped her on the sidewalk"   LOL this just makes me laugh again and again.
 
Thank you Pat

[newjason]

  Somehow your story keeps screaming "Ukraine!!!" at me. Surely there are women to stay away from in Russia as well but in this particular case I'd bet she is from Ukraine. With so many WM choosing Ukraine over Russia to look for a wife I think it's important to point out that this kind of "User Culture" is very prominent in Ukraine, much more so than in Russia IMO, and that men should exercise even more caution when looking for a life partner in Ukraine.

Eduard
Nothing get's by you does it?
This  girl was from ukraine not Russia. Although she was born in russia,  her parents moved to ukraine  when she was young. I say this because as Eduard has pointed out that this may may reflect badly on the wrong culture. While I maintain that a gold digger can be from anyplace and one person is not a representation of everyone in their country, The fact is, the fact. she is from ukraine. 

[Eduard]

Eduard
Nothing get's by you does it?
This  girl was from ukraine not Russia. Although she was born in russia,  her parents moved to ukraine  when she was young. I say this because as Eduard has pointed out that this may may reflect badly on the wrong culture. While I maintain that a gold digger can be from anyplace and one person is not a representation of everyone in their country, The fact is, the fact. she is from ukraine.

Thank you, Jason!

[ECOCKS]

Eduard
Nothing get's by you does it?
This  girl was from ukraine not Russia. Although she was born in russia,  her parents moved to ukraine  when she was young. I say this because as Eduard has pointed out that this may may reflect badly on the wrong culture. While I maintain that a gold digger can be from anyplace and one person is not a representation of everyone in their country, The fact is, the fact. she is from ukraine.

However, he fact is that she was born "Russian" (as you say). So, one must consider the plausible theory that it is genetic irrespective of the environment she was raised in after the move.

That said, she was born at a time when Ukraine WAS Russia so....wait a minute...even if she was born in Ukraine she was Russian.....hmmmm.

This is critical. Perhaps there should be a moratorium on FSU marriages until this can be scientifically determined? Yes, "Okay everybody, OUT OF THE POOL!"

[newjason]

That's the natural progression, as folows: 

1st - a genuine boyfriend (you, the only difference is that you were American rather than Russian because of circumstance).   

2nd - when the boyfriend does not give her all the gold she desires, she replaces him (you) with a RM to sponsor her while she attends a university (sponsor is same as kept woman in American lingo) .

3rd -  the sponsor  discards her when she proves too difficult, so she finds another RM sponsor, probably older and wealthier than the first sponsor and probably married.

4th - she reaches 29 years old and the second sponsor (if he is still around) discards her because he wants younger flesh.

5th - she is ignored by all RM men who have the means to sponsor her because they want younger RW, so she pursues the MOB agency alternative.

6th, 7th, 8th,.... - downward spiral continues.
 
 
Taking every penny?  No, family law does not work that way for short marriage, no children.   No, she will need to work and without a university degree in some high demand profession, her income will amount to peanuts.  Hence my 6th, 7th, 8th ...above.  The end is not pretty.
 
Perish the thought of seeing her again.  ECOKS is correct, "These women are toxic, damaging everything they come in contact to a greater or lesser degree."

Jason, you felt love with a beautiful woman.  While fleeting,  it made you feel like you were on Cloud 9.  She is beautiful on the outside, and you were even able to bring out what good she had on the inside.  Yet she was too corrupt on the inside for the good to prevail. 

You seem to enjoy the Russian culture.  If so, I suggest that you give RW another chance.   There are plenty of good-hearted RW.  Nevertheless, they still are women and you know what that means.   
 
Again, I enjoyed your writing style.  You remind me of a sensitive soul who deserved better.

Thank you Gator. You are a very insightfull man.
I have no contact with this woman at all.  I never will again.  My predictions, are not wishes,  and while it may seem like I want these things to happen, I really have nothing left inside for her.  It is fun to talk about , that's all.

I never decided to pursue a FSU woman.  I  had a LTR with a beautiful woman. She just happened to be from the FSU.   The desire to meet a woman specificly from the FSU seems very strange to me, why anyone would do this intentionally seems troubling to me. I do not see the allure.  this board is interesting to say the least.  I like the people I have met here and I choose to stay and learn something new, and maybe give some advice if needed.   But one thing is certain...  I will not treat this board, like I treated my EX.   

 

[newjason]

However, he fact is that she was born "Russian" (as you say). So, one must consider the plausible theory that it is genetic irrespective of the environment she was raised in after the move.

That said, she was born at a time when Ukraine WAS Russia so....wait a minute...even if she was born in Ukraine she was Russian.....hmmmm.

This is critical. Perhaps there should be a moratorium on FSU marriages until this can be scientifically determined? Yes, "Okay everybody, OUT OF THE POOL!"

   

LOL ECOCKS, this is EXACTLY what i was thinking as I was writing that post. 
I think it is not so important her location, but I do understand how some poeple could form opinions..

 I Just wanted to give Eduard props for sniffing this out.

[Eduard]

However, he fact is that she was born "Russian" (as you say). So, one must consider the plausible theory that it is genetic irrespective of the environment she was raised in after the move.

That said, she was born at a time when Ukraine WAS Russia so....wait a minute...even if she was born in Ukraine she was Russian.....hmmmm.

This is critical. Perhaps there should be a moratorium on FSU marriages until this can be scientifically determined? Yes, "Okay everybody, OUT OF THE POOL!"

LOL, Ed. Fun post!
But just to clarify: Ukraine was never Russia, it was part of the Soviet Union, so was Uzbekistan... different culture, wouldn't you agree?
I said many times (probably on the other forum though) that it's not about genetics, Russians and Ukrainians are the same genetically. It's about the culture of the place. Even within the same country cultures vary depending on the region. People in Siberia are very different from Moscovites, Southern Russians are different from Northern Russians, Western Ukraine is different from Eastern Ukraine culturally and off course New Yorkers and Texans are identical culturally speaking! 
It doesn't matter what your ethnicity is, if you are a Tatar living in Simferopol, you are going to grow up with the same patterns of behavior as people around you. What is normal and acceptible for them is going to be acceptible and normal for you be you ethnic Russian, Ukrainian, Tatar, Armenian or a Jew.

[newjason]

So I thought this story was over... and it is.. but today something interesting happened.

I was out working on a new project today, finally a big one.. yeah!  This home is in the Gutted stage, has only the bones showing. The rough in plumbing and electric just got finished and I was preparing my Mud shower pans for flood testing and inspection on Monday.
I was packing up when a man rolls up in a nice White Lexus and gets out holding a clipboard. By his attire, it was clear he was another SUB. He said hi, and I said hi,  we talked a little about the progress on the home, and I noticed His accent was only slight, but I asked him if he was from Russia?
Da  he smiled
We chatted a little bit in Russian and as we did, I felt I had met him before somewhere, or seen him around maybe on another job site. Anyway
I told him I am Jason, and he said he is Pavel. We shook hands and walked around this Monsterous House talking about who was doing what and so on.

He commented that I look different with a beard,  and I then realized I had met Pavel years ago at the Party where I first met Yana.  Ahhh!  OK now we had put that together,  He was there to asses when to start the Siding.  So we chatted about an hour and I packed up things and got ready to drive the hour commute home.  Pavel asked if I had plans for the rest of the day? I said I had nothing planned, and He suggested that since we were already in Seattle, to got something tasty to eat, In particular, seafood.  Sure I said, I know a great place,  he said I'll drive, hop in!

So we drove 10 min or so in the pouring rain down to the waterfront. paid $20 dollars to freaking park 2 blocks away,  and then walked to the Peir where this restaurant was. Of course by now we were laughing at how wet we were and how No one who lives in Seattle owns an umbrella. We commented on an attractive woman walking across the street who was having hers modified by the wind and being  jerked around realizing the futility of such a device, as she was  trying to stuff what was left of it into a Garbage can and having great difficulty. We jokingly agreed she was not from around here.  and how quickly tourists learn that it is better to have a nice Lined flannel hoodie, or a hooded wool trench-coat as they will not injure you like a live bumbershoot getting loose and blowing up the street.

Anyway, we entered and sat by the windows facing the Puget sound and taking in all the scenery of our lovely grey city.

As our waitress came with the menus, I froze for a moment, my eyes wide and saw that Pavel had the same expression of " Oh  SHit! " on his face as I did.

 Now to say this was awkward is the understatement of the year!

I  looked up again at this waitress, and I said in my mind, oh no! That is Yana!  Damn it!
Pavel was equally as uncomfortable and I was thinking to myself this would be a good time to have a stroke!  She handed us menu's but did not speak for what seemed like a lifetime...
I could feel my heart beating in my chest  BOOM Boom BOOM Boom BOOM

.......

[CDW]

I am 40 ish, I speak a little Russian.
I am fresh off a LTR w/RW  that went sour because I was too nice and some other things I will talk about someday, maybe.
I come by and read a little at a time, not often, but enough to become curious and confident enough to finally join.
I am single and I am NOT looking to get married.
Maybe someday but now? no.
I just wanna hang out  if that is cool with you guys..

Not Mr Voorhes, are you? lol

By the way, welcome here

[Eduard]

wowwowowowowowowoow!!!!