scammed by yeva4u

[bruttus]

1 more thing

its not that the genuine lady chose someone else, its the fact that i had the feeling that i was good enough to have some good day's, where they could drink coctails on someone else expencives, and when i'm back home, i was good enough for nothing
and yes, a young girl change here mind quickly, but quickly like this, i never seen that before
mine plane toucht the airstrip from mine country, and she went back to that guy, whille the day before, i bought here flouwers and went something to eat

its the fact how i had to find out, and then being treated as a bag of ..... due Mila when i was asking questions from whats going on, and even when i came up with some photo's to show Mila from whats this, she declared me crazy
thats whats bothering me

[bruttus]

2 Patagomie
I agree what you say, but like i clearly told, this girl profile was sended by Mila, but i didn't chose here to meet here in real, i was in the beginning, when i saw here profile, not even intrested in here, because of here age
Mila presented here on the first day when i came, what do i have to say then, i'm sorry, but i didn't chose this girl, go back when she is older
mine intrest in that gal begon when Mila told all those things to me, like she asking when we can meet etc.....

[Boethius]

So this girl married another foreigner and is now refunding you for money you sent her?

[Boethius]

Look, none of us know what really happened, so we have to go with what is written.

Mila, Stirlitz and some  guys here are saying to Bruttus;  the gal chose  another man, you just lost so just get over it.

Yes, if the gal simply chose another man, and there were no other facts involved, I would certainly agree with what others have written.

But read again what Bruttus wrote, and view it in the context of how Mila described what a loser she knew him to be from the beginning.

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From Bruttus:  "that genuine girl met this guy in February 2012
I met that girl in 28th june 2012
I knew about that guy when i was there, because i did some research, but because that genuine girl was asking to Mila allot to meet me, and did everything to keep mine attention to here, and because i believed that she had not made an choice, i went go with it yes, i believe that Mila was knowing about the relationship with that guy, and she let me believe that this girl was genuine towards me a real genuine girl, don't visit a other guy's country after 1 month after mine leaving from Kharkov and lie about these things
and the fact, to me Mila told me, when i reacted if that genuine girl still wants a relationship with me, while she  claimed on this forum that it was a friendly meeting
the genuine girl told me that she was in love to that guy, and that i had to forgive here and that was 2 weeks later when i came home ( i had to see that when she was writting lovelpoems on there facebookprofile)
a couple day's later i received a letter from that genuine girl, after I talked with Mila, that she wanted to talk with me and told me that this guy was just a friend, and nothing more

if I didn't found out, I was still paying for translation cost through skype or English lessons

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It's very easy to just attack Bruttus in a general sense for being naive or whatever;

but better to look at the individual issues (as presented by him) and address those issues.

As I understand it . . . had he not determined himself that the relationship was not real . . . he would have continued to pay SOMEONE for translation and English lessons.

Would it be to the same person who declared him a loser from the beginning?

Let's hear comments on that issue.

While I understand the point, I think it's a jump to assume Mila knew the girl was engaged to someone else.

[Patagonie]

this is the copy of the moneytransfer
i made the person and mine name black
whille it was agreed 250 USD/month, i think that they didn't thought that they had to pay extra cost to sending the money tru western union

And they suddenly realise that Western Union sucks a 10% margin for little sums ! 

[Patagonie]

Look, none of us know what really happened, so we have to go with what is written.

Mila, Stirlitz and some  guys here are saying to Bruttus;  the gal chose  another man, you just lost so just get over it.

Yes, if the gal simply chose another man, and there were no other facts involved, I would certainly agree with what others have written.

But read again what Bruttus wrote, and view it in the context of how Mila described what a loser she knew him to be from the beginning.

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From Bruttus:  "that genuine girl met this guy in February 2012
I met that girl in 28th june 2012
I knew about that guy when i was there, because i did some research, but because that genuine girl was asking to Mila allot to meet me, and did everything to keep mine attention to here, and because i believed that she had not made an choice, i went go with it yes, i believe that Mila was knowing about the relationship with that guy, and she let me believe that this girl was genuine towards me a real genuine girl, don't visit a other guy's country after 1 month after mine leaving from Kharkov and lie about these things
and the fact, to me Mila told me, when i reacted if that genuine girl still wants a relationship with me, while she  claimed on this forum that it was a friendly meeting
the genuine girl told me that she was in love to that guy, and that i had to forgive here and that was 2 weeks later when i came home ( i had to see that when she was writting lovelpoems on there facebookprofile)
a couple day's later i received a letter from that genuine girl, after I talked with Mila, that she wanted to talk with me and told me that this guy was just a friend, and nothing more

if I didn't found out, I was still paying for translation cost through skype or English lessons

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It's very easy to just attack Bruttus in a general sense for being naive or whatever;

but better to look at the individual issues (as presented by him) and address those issues.

As I understand it . . . had he not determined himself that the relationship was not real . . . he would have continued to pay SOMEONE for translation and English lessons.

Would it be to the same person who declared him a loser from the beginning?

Let's hear comments on that issue.

Hey, hey, that's a point !
If the OP can prove that Mila was knowing it from the first meeting to the moment he discovered it on Facebook, the point would be done (Boethius i imagine that it is what you want to say).
Let Bruttus search.
Nobody gave him a chance at first sight, but finally he got a result with the agency ...

[Boethius]

How would Mila know, unless the girl told her directly?

[BillyB]

Bruttus, with the next woman you communicate with, get on the phone with her. Don't rely on skype. Making appointments on skype doesn't give you any indication what goes on in her life before and after the appointment. If a woman likes you, she'll take your call just about any time of the day aside from work and sleep. If you do get a phone number and the woman avoids your calls most of the time, she may be banging boyfriend #2 or 3 or maybe you'll figure out you're not that important after all.


When I say get on the phone, talk with a lady on the phone, don't rely on texting. I tell all the ladies I've dated not to text me because I don't text. I don't even text my wife. Maybe it's fun for some people but I hate pushing small buttons all day.

[bruttus]

that guy has Mila and that genuine girl here best friend on his friendlist in facebook, + photo's about the trip when that genuine girl visited that guy in his homecountry
Mila told me, that she didn't knew about the trip, but it is really hard to deny, if you post something on FB, that all your friends will see it
Even when i came with these things up, still i was considert jealous and crazy by Mila

[Patagonie]

that guy has Mila and that genuine girl here best friend on his friendlist in facebook, + photo's about the trip when that genuine girl visited that guy in his homecountry
Mila told me, that she didn't knew about the trip, but it is really hard to deny, if you post something on FB, that all your friends will see it
Even when i came with these things up, still i was considert jealous and crazy by Mila

I don't use these socials networks. Is it possible to know if someone can come on this network (i don't speak about the automatic connection, which don't prove anything) ?

[Faux Pas]

that guy has Mila and that genuine girl here best friend on his friendlist in facebook, + photo's about the trip when that genuine girl visited that guy in his homecountry
Mila told me, that she didn't knew about the trip, but it is really hard to deny, if you post something on FB, that all your friends will see it
Even when i came with these things up, still i was considert jealous and crazy by Mila

You had 7 dates with the girl, she went right to dude's country as soon as you left. We get it. You bruttus, did not woo and win her. You failed after 7 dates. Mila is not this girl. Mila did not date you. It is not up to Mila. It is up to you to win the girl. You did not. You failed. You spent money in the process. If you couldn't afford it, you shouldn't have went in the first place. Get over it. Life is tough, it's even tougher when your stupid.

[bruttus]

@faux pas

see it in mine spot
that the girl has made here decision about that guy, its here problem
BUT if i DIDN'T found it out sooner, would Mila that told me, or should i still paying for English lessons for that girl, and even so, When she would have she told me that
on the same month thatthe girl was marry that girl
yes, i believe that Mila knew about it that the genuine lady was in engage to that other guy, and kept me stuppid
you considert that???

edit: i waited a week after that girl came home, so a week is long enough to tell someone that she wasn't intrested in me anymore, but still, i was blaimed as a bad person by Mila, when i found out via FB

[Faux Pas]

@faux pas

see it in mine spot
that the girl has made here decision about that guy, its here problem
BUT if i DIDN'T found it out sooner, would Mila that told me, or should i still paying for English lessons for that girl, and even so, When she would have she told me that
on the same month thatthe girl was marry that girl
yes, i believe that Mila knew about it that the genuine lady was in engage to that other guy, and kept me stuppid
you considert that???

No bruttus, YOU kept you stupid. And it appears that things haven't changed much. Nothing you have stated from the beginning of this thread and up to now shows anything anywhere near related to a scam. Nothing you have stated proves that Mila mislead you. Mila is a terp and guide, no? She set you up to meet and date a girl who seemingly was also dating others. That is the game of life bruttus. YOU had YOUR chance with this woman. YOU did not impress her enough for her to continue with YOU. That isn't Mila's fault, it isn't the woman's fault, it isn't dude's fault, who is left? Step up, grow yourself a pair and be a man

[bruttus]

i growt hard, to see that i was used, and waisted mine time with a non genuine girl
to bad that you won't see that
if you found out how i had to found it out, believe, you will react the same

small edit: i knew she was dating several men, but why not the honesty, and telling me straight away that she was not intrested when she came home from here trip, so i could not finding things out on the internet, no, i had to wait a full week, before i was getting suspicious

the fact that you still say that young girls change there minds really quick, but on the same day that I'm back home, while she did everything what she could so i focus only to that girl allone when i was there, its not that she chose this guy and not me, but the fact i was still paying if i didn't found out, and the fact that i feel used by Mila and that genuine lady of hers
and on Mila's side, i don't believe that the transluation between me and the genuine girl wasn't correct, because i remember a talk between them, on mine last houres when i was there, whille mine Ukrainain languange is far from beginning, i was starting to learn
but there where conversations that i knew some specific words, but mine knowledge wasn't huge enough to go in further

[Faux Pas]

i growt hard, to see that i was used, and waisted mine time with a non genuine girl
to bad that you won't see that
if you found out how i had to found it out, believe, you will react the same

How you found out bruttus is completely irrelevant. You dated a woman. Obviously, she was never your girlfriend. She was dating others. She choose to marry another that she was dating. That's life guy. It's happened to most men and women at varying points in their lives. Most don't sit around blaming others for it. Generally, it's the time you pull up your boot straps, pin your ears back and go some more. Then there is you, who had decided to get sour, blame everyone for your own misgivings and wallow in your defeat and sorrow. Life is too short for that bruttus. Learn the lesson that is here for you

[bruttus]

thats true thats not relevant how i found out,
but i have the question, When was Mila going to say that this girl wasn't intrested in me anymore, if i didn't find it out, after i payd here wedding with the english lessons and talking via skype?

because when i talked with Mila about it, after waiting a month, i was the bad person, even if i could proof it to here

[Faux Pas]

It's not Mila's business. It is yours and the woman's. Mila has no skin in that game. Why did you date the woman 7 times? Why were you paying for her lessons? It is obvious she wasn't your girlfriend and no girlfriend relationship existed. The only one at fault is you. The sooner you come to terms with that, the quicker you can get on with the business of living

[Mila]

No, Fillip never paid for her lessons, because I teach English ONLY to the girls who are in a process of getting visa and getting married. I also give lessons when my clients ask me and to the ladies I didn't meet before. He never bought her a smallest present or a flower, but he is complaining and complaining all the time. My biggest mistake is that I worked with him I shouldn't. I have to stay away from such people. You Filip, must see a psychologist, the sooner the better for you, I am not joking.

[bruttus]

you still aren't answering mine question

and i was going to pay here lessons, everything was set up in mine paypall account, i was just waiting for anything about Mila

[bruttus]

some questions faux pas

if you can answer them, i let it rest
-can you explain me when i talked with that girl in person, that she told me, that she really liked the guy and that i have to forgive here, and when i talked about to Mila, i received sudenly a letter from that girl that we had to talk, and that this guy was just a normal friend
for me that are 2 difrent reactions in les than a week from the same genuine girl
- why i waited a full week for any reaction from Mila, because it was agreed that she would notify me about any changes about this girl
that week, that genuine girl was home from here trip

[Stirlitz]

That is simply unbearable. On and on and on and on... Someone obviously has nothing better to do and cannot hear anyone but themselves.

[Faux Pas]

some questions faux pas

if you can answer them, i let it rest
-can you explain me when i talked with that girl in person, that she told me, that she really liked the guy and that i have to forgive here, and when i talked about to Mila, i received sudenly a letter from that girl that we had to talk, and that this guy was just a normal friend
for me that are 2 difrent reactions in les than a week from the same genuine girl
- why i waited a full week for any reaction from Mila, because it was agreed that she would notify me about any changes about this girl
that week, that genuine girl was home from here trip

No. How could I possibly answer that? I wasn't there. But, if you read what you've just written and not recognize YOUR own hand in your failure, I am afraid there isn't much help for you.

Now we find you didn't even pay for her English lessons. There were no lessons. The woman told you that she was interested in dude. Why would you continue to believe this woman was for you? Mila is not this woman. It doesn't matter what Mila said or didn't say to you. You dated the woman, you had to know. The woman told you, then you see it on FB and only then the truth sets in and the denial starts.

The best thing bruttus for your own mental health, is for you to move on. I found over the years, the best way to forget a woman you can't have is to find one you can have. Seriously guy, quit trying to soil these people with your failures and misgivings. It's not Mila's fault even after 7 dates that this woman doesn't want you. It's not the woman's fault as she permitted you an opportunity. It was you bruttus who squandered it.

[BillyB]

i knew she was dating several men, but why not the honesty, and telling me straight away that she was not intrested when she came home from here trip, so i could not finding things out on the internet, no, i had to wait a full week, before i was getting suspicious

Everybody has rules in dating but it's their own rules. It's possible she didn't make up her mind on choosing a man when she communicated with you but made up her mind and married a guy just shortly after dating you.


I don't blame her for dating a few guys to find the best man in her life. I don't blame guys for visiting many women either. They don't have to disclose their dating habits. Honesty or dishonestly has nothing to do with it.


It's also possible she did make up her mind about who she wants to marry before dating you. Some people have fun right before they enter into a commitment. That would have been wrong of her to use you if indeed her mind was made up unless you wanted fun without commitment.


I believe if you had more phone calls with the woman before you decided to visit her, you would have known she's too busy to take your calls and wasn't into you and thus you shouldn't have visited her. Did you even have her phone number and did she allow you to call anytime? Just because a woman talks to you on skype by appointment only, assume it's only going to be talk between friends.

[Mila]

 Dear members,
We are all human beings and all have choices in life. We are free to date even two people at the same time in order to make the right choice. As we want to get married once and for ever, right? In order to make the right decision we have to compare and choose the best. All people would agree with me, as it is true! 
 
Fillip came to Kharkov and dated several ladies at the same time and it is fine. But, the way he judges me, he is a scam, right? As he dates several ladies at a time, he is a liar!!! This is his position and his opinion about the whole situation.
 
So, we are all grown up people, some are smart, some are not, it is what it is. BUT, why do we develop this stupid topic?! As it is all evident and clear!
 
You know what is more interesting? Before Fillip started posting this nonsense, he behaved as a friend, can you believe? Yes, he even asked me to help him to return his money from Yeva agency from Zaporozhie, but then when I refused helping him, as it is not my business, he started posting bad stuff about me. A child is offended that I refused to help!
 
Let's stop discussing this stupid topic and Fillip will return back to life or to psychologist. Because, when we answer and comment, he gets satisfied, like a vampire. There are people like that, unfortunately.
 

[ML]

Most here are focusing on calling Bruttus stupid and a loser for going  on about a woman who chose someone else.  And if it were only about that, I would agree.

But scamming and fraud (while furthered by romance or hopes of such) are ultimately about money.

So, in my mind, that is the only thing that this discussion should be about.  And  I am not saying  there was any scamming or fraud.

But to ascertain scams or fraud in this case, Bruttus can start by clarifying some variables.

1. Did you pay for previous translation and English lessons for the gal, or did you arrange to pay for future translation and English lessons for the gal?

2. If yes to number 1, who was this money paid to or arranged to be paid to?

3. Who helped you find the person to pay the money to for past work and for future planned work?

4. Who helped you arrange the payment of the money?

5. As I understand from your previous posts, this money would have been paid from your paypal account had you not taken action to stop the payments when you learned, on your own,  that the gal had already  chosen another man.  Is this an accurate statement of the facts as you understand them?

6. You believe that persons, other than the gal in question, knew fully that the gal had chosen another man, and yet were going to keep this  info from you so that the payments would start or continue for translation work and English lessons.  Is this true?

7. What is the name of the other persons who knew these facts, yet did not tell you?