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Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #225 on: July 24, 2020, 02:01:48 PM »
Yet more obfuscation, Beel ?

You are getting tedious.

You wrote your opinions and the Lurker/Newbies are free
to decide for themselves.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #226 on: July 24, 2020, 06:41:38 PM »
"ou wrote your opinions and the Lurker/Newbies are free "

yes, let us all bow our heads and pray for the Lurker/Newbies...
who are after ALL, the CHIEF reason we ALL post here, RIGHT? 
we all cherish the hope that our words may offer guidance to those who, through no fault of their own of course, have far less experience
with women, sex, and Ukraine
than say...
well...
someone. like me, for instance...



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« Reply #227 on: July 25, 2020, 03:06:59 AM »

You are in denial that newbies can eliminate much of the 'speed rejection' you 'advocate' via video chat ..

Turning up, hoping you'll make a connection with a selection of ladies based on a foreign city you've chosen v choosing the lady ?....  'Yup'. that makes a lot of 'sense' ...

Let me help you out here Mobers ;D

In video chat you never really know if you have found 'the one' hence you can't dump/speed reject any of the other girls.

In video chat there is no telling if there is chemistry. There is telling if the girl is hot, if you get on well, possibly if she has character flaws, if her English is great, etc.

So if you reject other girls from video chat it's done on the basis of some other reason other than whether there was chemistry.

If the guy turns up to meet a VO girl there is normally pretty low odds of there being chemistry. So then does the guy move on or try and see if he can get a relationship out of it anyway?
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« Reply #228 on: July 25, 2020, 08:45:06 AM »
"ou wrote your opinions and the Lurker/Newbies are free "

yes, let us all bow our heads and pray for the Lurker/Newbies...
who are after ALL, the CHIEF reason we ALL post here, RIGHT? 
we all cherish the hope that our words may offer guidance to those who, through no fault of their own of course, have far less experience
with women, sex, and Ukraine
than say...
well...
someone. like me, for instance...

Back in the olden days I found an old dead forum and read
hundreds of stories about how men went searching for their
dream girl, some successful and others crashing in a ball of
flames. I thought to myself, if they can do it then surely I
could do it and off I went to make half of the mistakes in
the book.

There are 18 guests reading this thread as I type this and this
is the starting out section. So I am giving back a little bit as
those who did before me.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #229 on: July 25, 2020, 11:40:13 AM »
well now "holmes" we got 19 readers!!!
damn. we're soaring in popularity now ain't we....

well, OK, words of wisdom to "noobs"
first new Russian word for ya to learn...

забывать "zavoot", it means "fuggettaboutit"

and that's what you noobs should do...
just forget about it....

ok, here's the truth...
the virus is gonna shut the door on the idea of you noobs ever gettin a woman from Russia or Ukraine!!
between the travel fallout, and the devastating economic fallout that will mainly come next year
you ain't gonna be going to Russia or Ukraine to get no woman...

OK, and if that t'weren't bad enough on its own...
then there's also the fact that the majority of you are stupid, poor, and physically unattractive...
and wondering why you can't get laid?
really?

my ultimate advice to noobs:
stick to porn, and buy your hands a nice pair of kid leather gloves in gratitude on Valentine's Day, you ungrateful bastards
you'll have far less headaches this way
than trying to act out your Russian girl friend fantasy...

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« Reply #230 on: July 25, 2020, 02:02:28 PM »
my ultimate advice to noobs:
stick to porn, and buy your hands a nice pair of kid leather gloves in gratitude on Valentine's Day, you ungrateful bastards
you'll have far less headaches this way
than trying to act out your Russian girl friend fantasy...


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FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #231 on: July 25, 2020, 09:58:32 PM »
pat, why DO your post increasingly come across as a 'revengful' misogynist?!...

You just posted a truly feeble excuse to lie.

Unless you really are a sex tourist, you are hoping to find a woman to share your life with, with whom you can build mutual trust..

Lying at step one isn't smart...

In most cities you can order a taxi for a date on a app and have her dropped off near you....You can pay.  There is a lot of paranoia about spending money before you meet in reality, because VM means you know f'all about a lady before you meet....it's a mum's game....

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« Reply #232 on: July 25, 2020, 10:06:15 PM »
You are getting tedious.

You wrote your opinions and the Lurker/Newbies are free
to decide for themselves.

..and it is interesting  you STILL didn't take the opportunity to 'diss' my reasoning...

You kind, well-meaning 'advice' sucks, Beel... We want Newbies to travel and find a partner.

You had a collection of ladies you knew via MySpace. You may not have met...but had corresponded.

You could get by in Russian.

Most newbies and even regulars can't.

Far better to sit down with a RU speaker at home and line up dates and have a local on your side there, IF you are going to try the VM 'speed rejection' method...

Otherwise, based on your advice....a newbie will spend at of time staring at four walls in their rooms wondering why they came and feeling lonely.


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« Reply #233 on: July 26, 2020, 08:38:04 AM »
..and it is interesting  you STILL didn't take the opportunity to 'diss' my reasoning...

You kind, well-meaning 'advice' sucks, Beel... We want Newbies to travel and find a partner.

You had a collection of ladies you knew via MySpace. You may not have met...but had corresponded.

You could get by in Russian.

Most newbies and even regulars can't.

Far better to sit down with a RU speaker at home and line up dates and have a local on your side there, IF you are going to try the VM 'speed rejection' method...

Otherwise, based on your advice....a newbie will spend at of time staring at four walls in their rooms wondering why they came and feeling lonely.

That can happen if a VM isn't executed right/done well. A newbie may struggle to understand what is required in order for the VM strategy to work. I've seen talk before online from guys complaining that girls blew out on them or only agreed to meet for a new mobile phone, etc, lol.

Guys that are above average in looks might still come through without getting it exactly right I feel. Otherwise not all dates or possibly any might show up. It takes getting it right to get much joy out of VM believe.

I think ML could well have the best VM strategy, which is included early on in this thread I believe. It takes some getting the head around to understand it but I believe it's a VM strategy that will likely turn up many women for meets that would likely turn up on the ground. It's what I was intending to do before the virus hit, bugger!
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« Reply #234 on: July 26, 2020, 11:22:32 AM »

 
Otherwise, based on your advice....a newbie will spend at of time staring at four walls in their rooms wondering why they came and feeling lonely.
 
Jack was a professional matchmaker and member of RWD. He died unfortunately. 
Newbies, if you follow the VO path, with no backup this is exactly what could happen most of the time. Staring at four walls and using your right hand.
Jack told me that many guys doing a VO suffered of between 60% and 80% of no match, including the no show, but most of the time the lady gets cold feet and disappear.
 
Agencies/matchmakers get back some of those guys in FSU.
But many of those men are ashamed, discouraged or angry and when they are back home, they are done with FSU women, and you will never hear about them. 
   
I had discussion with two others pros living in Ukraine (an agency and a matchmaker).
THose 3 pros and I we think the same : you should meet several women.
 
Now the way you arrange how to do it to keep it comfortable is an other story, it's your stuff.
   
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« Reply #235 on: July 26, 2020, 12:13:29 PM »
pat, why DO your post increasingly come across as a 'revengful' misogynist?!...

You just posted a truly feeble excuse to lie.

Unless you really are a sex tourist, you are hoping to find a woman to share your life with, with whom you can build mutual trust..

Lying at step one isn't smart...

In most cities you can order a taxi for a date on a app and have her dropped off near you....You can pay.  There is a lot of paranoia about spending money before you meet in reality, because VM means you know f'all about a lady before you meet....it's a mum's game....

 
We have two very different lifes,
Your is full of morale judgement, very binary, full of attacks. My english is not so good, I do believe that you are a kind of bully?
 
Mine is ... very different.
I propose that you stick on your if mine is so shocking for you.
Why do you read my posts if it makes you uncomfortable? Ignore me.   
   
You repeatdly use disrespectful  words with RWD members, are you conscious of this?
 
In plenty of forums you should had been banned repeatdly (maybe I should had been, to be honest, watched myself one or two times in RWD yes or temporary banned).

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« Reply #236 on: July 26, 2020, 12:59:02 PM »
..and it is interesting  you STILL didn't take the opportunity to 'diss' my reasoning...

You kind, well-meaning 'advice' sucks, Beel... We want Newbies to travel and find a partner.

Moby,

The fact is that both strategies have been successful. I don't feel
the need to 'dis'respect one strategy over the other. ('diss'
doesn't mean discuss)

You have a very controlling, antagonistic and coersive personality. Others are
different. I think that men need to pursue the strategy that best fits
their personality, situation and goals. 

You think that you have the ONLY answer for everything, but you
don't.

Udachi!

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Dis  verb:    speak disrespectfully to or criticize.
http://www.lexico.com/en/definition/dis
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #237 on: July 26, 2020, 06:35:54 PM »
yeah, I kinda agree, that there really is no need for "moral judgement" here on RWD
for a painfully obvious reason...
that we are all, in one way or another, especially myself
"low life's"
so, it's kinda pointless stating an obvious truth, like you're a man...
man, low life, it's all the same thing

look...
lemme tell you poor sods a story, ok...
when I was a real little kid, I didn’t like children my own age, I only cared to have relationships with adults or animals!!

so I had many, many, many pets when I was a little kid
but I was constantly seeking out contact with small furry wild animals of any kind...
and after awhile I found that a better, more effective way of meeting wild animals
was instead of me chasing after them....
was instead, I could “trick” them to come to me!!!
by giving them something they wanted, and then get them to trust me....
for squirrels and rabbits that meant giving them food, and each time coming just a little closer
until they would let me touch them and pick them up
it could take months to build up that kind of trust with a naturally timid animal

when I was 16, I suddenly developed an impulse to have sex with girls my own age
what I discovered was that I could get girls to come to me the same way I could get animals to come to me, by giving them something they wanted
and then getting closer and closer...
until they would let me “touch them”
to me, it felt like the identical process
and all the skills I had learned to get squirrels to trust me, so I could eventually pet them
worked just the same on girls
and this was before AIDS, and EVERYONE of these girls was a virgin anyway!!!!





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« Reply #238 on: July 26, 2020, 08:45:53 PM »
Pat's insights are relevant and contemporary. Ukraine can be a challenging place to date. It's not for the uninitiated.

Unlike most guys proffering advice Pat is actively dating. If you're not in the game now you don't appreciate how much dating dynamics and societal culture has changed over the last five to ten years. Instagram alone has completely changed the landscape, completely. There are very, very few married guys here that have dated since the rise of Instagram and dating apps.

Pat's approach is based both on his personal circumstances and the realities of dating in 2020. I think it is rather distasteful to paint him as a sex tourist for playing the dating game in modern Ukraine.

I get the feeling some married guys need to be told, "Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore." For guys long married think of the cars, cell phones, computers, etc. you were using when you became engaged and reflect upon how superseded they are in comparison now. It's the same with international dating.

The "boy meets girl" bit doesn't resemble what it was like a decade ago. Even the "women are women" line is not entirely true as women's attitudes are very different towards dating foreigners.

FWIW I don't agree with Pat in getting a "pro" involved such as an agency. But my circumstances and life experiences are different to his so it doesn't invalidate Pat's advice to other men.

For all guys the first step is universal: know thyself. Then you can figure out what advice to ignore and accept.

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« Reply #239 on: July 26, 2020, 09:28:21 PM »
"If you're not in the game now you don't appreciate how much dating dynamics and societal culture has changed over the last five to ten years. Instagram alone has completely changed the landscape, completely. There are very, very few married guys here that have dated since the rise of Instagram and dating apps."

just cuz you're married, doesn't mean you stop learning "about the game"
the game is thousands of years old, nothing's happened in the last 10 years to change "the game"
it's still the same game

I even learned more about it, watching my daughters, when they used tinder and instagram
oh, those girls really "got game"

for a guy, ya gotta have 3 things
1. brains
2. money
3. good looks

if ya got 2 outta 3 you have a chance
but if you got "none of the above"
then for gawd's sake, stay home

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« Reply #240 on: July 26, 2020, 11:54:08 PM »
 
Jack was a professional matchmaker and member of RWD. He died unfortunately. 
Newbies, if you follow the VO path, with no backup this is exactly what could happen most of the time. Staring at four walls and using your right hand.
Jack told me that many guys doing a VO suffered of between 60% and 80% of no match, including the no show, but most of the time the lady gets cold feet and disappear.
 
Agencies/matchmakers get back some of those guys in FSU.
But many of those men are ashamed, discouraged or angry and when they are back home, they are done with FSU women, and you will never hear about them. 
   
I had discussion with two others pros living in Ukraine (an agency and a matchmaker).
THose 3 pros and I we think the same : you should meet several women.
 
Now the way you arrange how to do it to keep it comfortable is an other story, it's your stuff.
   
Udachi

Jack and I had plenty of interesting debates on same and if your are confident and do due dilligence and can get by in Russian or have help in the form of Eussian speaking friends, Jack's opinion ( and yours) suck(ed).

I recommend newbies have their hand held and use an expert like Ed.



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« Reply #241 on: July 27, 2020, 01:52:11 AM »
I even learned more about it, watching my daughters, when they used tinder and instagram
oh, those girls really "got game"
Exactly my point. The way your daughters meet suitors and date is entirely different to the way (you and) your wife dated and met suitors. Some countries are almost unrecognizable from 15-20 years ago. Dating has evolved dramatically in the last five years, in the FSU and beyond.

Pat understands this better than basically anyone on this board. His methods are not for all men but are entirely relevant.

Topics like VO vs. VM and agency vs. no agency almost seem like a relic of a past era, but hey that's just me.



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« Reply #242 on: July 27, 2020, 02:30:57 AM »
'Sorry', but that is patent bollox rwd123!..

The principle of finding suitable partner is still the same...the choice is just greater and it is (normally) clear who is 'available.

Let's 'judge' Pat when travel to the FSU is easier.

For now, it's so clear he enjoys virtual chatting and ex contacts that come and go..

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« Reply #243 on: July 27, 2020, 02:37:20 AM »
Exactly my point. The way your daughters meet suitors and date is entirely different to the way (you and) your wife dated and met suitors. Some countries are almost unrecognizable from 15-20 years ago. Dating has evolved dramatically in the last five years, in the FSU and beyond.

Pat understands this better than basically anyone on this board. His methods are not for all men but are entirely relevant.

Topics like VO vs. VM and agency vs. no agency almost seem like a relic of a past era, but hey that's just me.

+1
 
As the world is constantly changind, and fast sometimes. 
I start to believe that the game should be flexible as much as it :
Depends of the countries 
Depends of the age of the women you want to date 
Depends of your skills in social dynamics
Depends if you aim directly a LTR (marriage) especially in FSU
 
But if your social dynamics are "augmented" and if you can calibrate it considering the paramaters given above so you are likely to perform nicely.
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« Reply #244 on: July 27, 2020, 03:03:31 AM »
About agencies, RWD123
I first started my journey, before any writing, before any traveling, in 2009 to study hundreds of agencies.I wrote an excel sheet.
All of this to find out the trustable agencies and good sites. 
Later with my experience I could detect now what could be a good one.Among all agencies, and that should include all affiliates which are some ghost entries on common databases, 95% are a total crap.  But now if you can retrieve the good ones, maybe less than 50 or 100 in ALL FSU, they are gems.You even have to focus to travel there when you have identified one.
I remember one in Barnaul, but didn't want to go ther e, very far away.
 
If it's a more traditionnal agency, be careful 
If you are more experimented you can even date women of more standard agencies, provided that they are in FSU and the girls are legits and not paid from the agency (for example an other terp from this agency who plays the lady waiting a foreigner)
I even took the risk to write to 3 ladies of this agency, but a maximum of 3 letters for each to limit my losses.
I met those 3 ladies, all showed, all were legits, and I dated one of them during one week. We had and incredible time in a disco one night. (I have a video of her singing to me "I want to kiss by you..."). She was not only dating me, but had a spanish correspondant (just to show you an another example of women making a pool of men, or ok to meet other men while they have a target).

 
The trick is to get each time the phone number of the girl (if you are interested in her of course) at the first appointment and to call her directly or let a terp you know to do it. If she refuses  it means she gets a fee for each appointment and so the whole agency is crappy and you have to drop this s.... right away. She can also refuse because she don't like you. But if you are enough skilled you should recognize after one hour of meeting if she likes you or not.
 
And after you need to lead and  pass over  the agency who will, most of the time (for the standard agencies I don't speak about the GEMS), will try to screw up your rising relationship. Just to get more money from more meetings. 
So of course if you speak some russian that's an outstanding advantage, but I would recommand to use agency's terp first so they make some money and will provide you more dates.
If you take the lead of the next appointments with the ladies you like you just show them that you are an insider and not ready to played by them.
It's a polite form to tell them," I have nothing to pay you a fee for a date, and one or two hours of translation and repeat all this for all the girls I want to meet but for the rest that my own life and my own money and those women are not your private property so you don't have to interact in our dating." 
 
 
Of course you should also have other ressources and some contacts from there or there.
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« Reply #245 on: July 27, 2020, 03:13:53 AM »
Agencies are for losers...

I know loads of blokes who've used them...


They simply recycle prodating ladies.


Stay away from agencies and their ladies..


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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #246 on: July 27, 2020, 10:14:30 AM »
"Agencies are for losers..."

I agree bruv,
but the guys who use agencies REALLY are losers, and so they don't have any other choice...
a loser isn't going to Russia on his own and meet women on his own there...
he doesn't have the ability to even THINK of doing this...
he needs a super fast, cheap shortcut
not realizing, he's dealing with a business
whose purpose is to exploit his fantasies and his stupidity
and extract from him a few coins for their trouble

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #247 on: July 28, 2020, 04:50:38 PM »
Agencies are for losers...

:D I've never used agencies, so that means in your mind you think of me as a winner!  :flowers:
No Deal is Ideal, It's a Free Britain we want :)

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #248 on: July 28, 2020, 07:54:25 PM »
"I've never used agencies, so that means in your mind you think of me as a winner! "

no Trench, I don't think of you as a loser
just someone who never won anything
but not a loser

but I really think the future dynamics of what you are about to experience
means you're gonna be better off confining your search locally
which won't involve travel risks, just you and your car to get to where you need to be....

a year or so from now, I would think that if you lived in nice country house with a garden
that it wouldn't be hard to advertise in a nearby major drivable city for a female room mate
it should be real easy actually


 

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