Is this a scammer?

[krimster2]

Dear members, what have you witnessed?


My take on that…

I didn’t see a lot of “upwards social mobility” in the FSU…
so, no need of “Tiger Moms” or Dads…

the elites who have money and power
will use their money and power to help their kids “overcome obstacles” on the road to success

poor people there will basically DO NOTHING with their children!!
and just tell their kids to have a good life, but only AFTER they finish planting their parent’s potatoes in the back garden FIRST, and they BETTER do a DAMN good job, OR ELSE!!!!

wealthy Russian men that I know spend far more time with their mistresses than with their children

as a result, all the women there have “DADDY Issues” which facilitates anyone with paternal instincts and who can STOP thinkin about their precious l’il Willy for just ONE SECOND…

and be nurturing and non-sexual at FIRST...
and THEN phuque them later
some of that "delayed gratification" and self-control here

THIS is so FREAKIN EASY!!!
even a NOOB could do it!

and to me, this is the VERY BEST kind of Pooty-Tang hunting that there is, and I tried 'em ALL!

[Trenchcoat]

and be nurturing and non-sexual at FIRST...

Krim, How so? What sort of nurturing would they be after?

[krimster2]

how?

by having a MUTUAL genuine affection or liking for EACH OTHER
achieved by spending a lot of time together, doing stuff of mutual interest, or just "hangin out" at cafe or club...
and having a simple natural interaction with her
that leads to doing physical "outdoorsy" kinda things
and in an escalting fashion, you each show more and more skin

place her needs first, sublimate YOUR OWN
be totally non-critical
only positive and smiling

look at the subtle FEEDBACK she gives you, pay attention
 do this, while living vicarously, and seeing EVERYTHING through HER eyes
as you dazzle HER with "shiny thing" after shiny thing

well...
that's one way,
but NOT a likely one for you Trench

read about "rohipnol"
and give some to yourself
and hope that while you're passed out at the bar
a BEAUTIFUL woman comes by
and makes passionate LOVE to YOU!!!

bon chance!!

[Trenchcoat]

well...
that's one way,
but NOT a likely one for you Trench

Yeah I kind of figured I may struggle on that one. Thinking I am maybe suited more to the delinquent type of girl, type of girl who needs a firm hand

[RussianWomenOnly]

How dangerous is it for people of Moldova?  Will Russia invade Moldova after they take over Odessa? 

[krimster2]

In the short term the dangers are economic and social
as refugees overwhelm the locals
and high fuel prices lead to scarcity and higher inflation and lower thermostats

when you visit, things may further deteriorate, and there might be MAJOR food shortages
and no restaurants, etc open
so how are you going to “entertain” her?
Also COVID…

if SHTF, I would worry about what happens if locals start pickin on Asians or foreigners…
YOU will be EZ target to spot, and you’ll be carryin some dollars...
if you become a target, she will to...

you really think, stuff like this doesn't HAPPEN OVER THERE, why NOT?
it HAPPENS HERE!!!

[Trenchcoat]

How dangerous is it for people of Moldova?  Will Russia invade Moldova after they take over Odessa?

Unlikely Russia will invade Moldova while they're struggling in Ukraine. They could have used some of the 3 battalions in Moldova's break away region to move into Ukraine but they didn't and now it's probably not much point them doing so with Ukraine's Army mobilised. Odds are they were keeping them back to launch an excuse to attack Moldova if they got a swift victory in Ukraine/when or if they get a victory in Ukraine.

So I think you're safe at the moment from that. At the moment you can probably travel to the city centre of the Capital of Moldova and be safe enough. Most likely issue would be anyone wishing to swindle a foreigner with high Taxi or Restaurant bills, carry on and the like so be on your guard for that. If you travel there now it's probably better than travelling later as yeah the situation could go downhill. All across Europe an economic downturn is looming most likely this Autumn/Winter. The worst will be in the poorer countries in Europe and Moldova being outside the EU and with problems from Ukraine War, refugees & economic trade hit will likely suffer very badly. So stuff starts to get a lot more uncertain out there then potentially. So while the good weather is here and things likely still aren't too bad I would get out there now if I was you and put this one to bed over whether there is anything there with this woman.

[RussianWomenOnly]

Got some red flags, this girl is asking indirectly for some "support".  I didn't commit to anything just asked her for her and her son's birthdays so I can get them some gifts.  Maybe she's showing her tail a little bit.

[Trenchcoat]

Got some red flags, this girl is asking indirectly for some "support".

What exactly did she say in relation to indirectly asking for some support?

[RussianWomenOnly]

something to sort of rose, coffee, or food. 

[Trenchcoat]

something to sort of rose, coffee, or food.

RWO you know it's expected to get the girl Roses when you go to meet out in the FSU? - that includes Moldova.

Also the guy is expected to pay for any basic entertainment including eats out at Restaurants, Cafes, local basic attractions, etc. When you are with her/meet her.

If it's she's hinting at that stuff for her birthday or interest of some sort of those items then they're not high value items so I wouldn't freak out just yet.

[krimster2]

"Got some red flags, this girl is asking indirectly for some "support"."

she's tellin ya that THIS  is a "quid pro quo arrangement"
and if you don't give her any QUID
then you ain't gonna get NO QUO!!!

there...
translated it fer ya

[2tallbill]

Got some red flags, this girl is asking indirectly for some "support".  I didn't commit to anything just asked her for her and her son's birthdays so I can get them some gifts.  Maybe she's showing her tail a little bit.

RWO,

1. Stop it, this is supposed to be fun and exciting. You are being paranoid
and less decisive than a teenage girl trying to pick out which dress to wear.
Put on your lucky big boy underwear and stop questioning everything.

2. Don't read whatever Trenchcoat has to say about this. He knows less
than you do about this.

3. Plan a trip. Start a new thread about planning your trip and ask for
advice on best practices.

4. Buy tickets, tell your girl to stretch out, limber up, drink lots of juice and
get lots of rest (because she will need her strength) and to lay out all of her
sexy panties on the kitchen table so you can decide which pair she should
wear to pick you up at the airport.

5. Tell her to wear a dress because you will be checking the panties.

6. Find an apartment or Airbnb in her city and rent it, near the city center.

7. FSUW want a man, not an indecisive, apprehensive, scared of their own shadow, overly suspicious mess.

8. Seduce the girl, win her heart and plan your second trip to see her.

[Boethius]

I don’t understand. You asked her what you can buy for a birthday, she responds with suggestions of roses, coffee, or food, and that’s a red flag???

[2tallbill]

I don’t understand. You asked her what you can buy for a birthday, she responds with suggestions of roses, coffee, or food, and that’s a red flag???

Food?? Come on that's a straight away give away. It means she will be
a big fatty when she gets older. 

[RussianWomenOnly]

I asked for both her son and her birthday so I can get them birthday gifts.  She didn't refuse but she never gave the dates to me (yet).  I initiated that conversation.   What she said was she doesn't want empty words.  This is because I was trying to flirt with her.  She said she wanted someone to care and support her.  She said roses, or coffee, or food (I think she meant like lunch or something).  She did not ask for cash money.  Now that I think about it, I did speak to her on the phone a few days ago and I asked her to give me more time than just two months (Please refer to my early posts about this 2 month thing) and that I can come to Moldova in January.  She sounded hesitant but she said yes.  So, technically I am asking her for a 6 month time investment.  Maybe I should get her something like flowers and what not.  How should I go about this?  Of course, I am not going to send her money directly but do I just look up florist in Chisinau?  She hasn't even given me birth dates, you guys think she will just give me her address? 

[krimster2]

See, I told ya yur wallet was gonna “open up”...

you need to figure out WHAT HER NEEDS ARE financially…
and then SEE IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT AMOUNT (Trench you can listen to!)
if NOT, then yur gonna have a BIG problem WITH HER!!

if YES, then maybe not so big, so you learn to live with them
but THIS IS HOW THE QUID PRO QUO WORKS!!!
get it NOW?

this is her opening "negotiation" gambit...
you best be learnin how to play this kinda chess
cuz, looks like SHE AHEAD OF YOU man!!

all this desperation over not gettin any  "Pooty-Tang?  WTF?
let that be a lesson to EVERYONE

I TOTALLY SEE why my daughters married early...
they get all "this pursuit of LOVE thang" outa the way ASAP
so they can FOCUS on more important things

[Boethius]

Doesn’t anyone who wants a family life want someone who cares for and supports them?

In your shoes, I would send her money.  Not a lot, $40 or so, and I would say go have a nice dinner with your parents on me. Of course she likely won’t do that, but it gives her flexibility.

[Patagonie]

I asked for both her son and her birthday so I can get them birthday gifts.  She didn't refuse but she never gave the dates to me (yet).  I initiated that conversation.   What she said was she doesn't want empty words.  This is because I was trying to flirt with her.  She said she wanted someone to care and support her.  She said roses, or coffee, or food (I think she meant like lunch or something).  She did not ask for cash money.  Now that I think about it, I did speak to her on the phone a few days ago and I asked her to give me more time than just two months (Please refer to my early posts about this 2 month thing) and that I can come to Moldova in January.  She sounded hesitant but she said yes.  So, technically I am asking her for a 6 month time investment.  Maybe I should get her something like flowers and what not.  How should I go about this?  Of course, I am not going to send her money directly but do I just look up florist in Chisinau?  She hasn't even given me birth dates, you guys think she will just give me her address?

You have opened the Pandorra box.
In such countries you don't TALK about how taking care about a woman, you DO it, see the difference?
No, probably not, but the difference is very big. 
You will multiply tenfold your benefits by NOT talking about anything you want to do (buying gifts or giving money) and doing it in Moldova. 
 
That's very difficult for a westener because of the cultural setup we have. We are used to talk a lot, that's a disease and this what most of FSU women are suffering;.. 
Men talking the will come .... they don't Men talking they are a director ... they have lied
Men talking they want to marry her ... they are still not divorced
And the list goes on and on... 
 
As a result, the women who have dated internationally after a while are discouraged and restart dating locally also or exclusively. One woman told me that a friend of hers was so upset that she turned to make a lot of scams. 
 
The fact that you want to delay your travel is already the typical westerner shit that they are used to listen.
See the difference: you are already lying about what you say and what you do, generally a hammer who makes you a dead man after a while with an FSU woman. Very bad. 
 
If I were her I would pack a list of 10 westerners asap to multiply my chances, 100% Most of women do it anyways. If you land January there many chances that you will be not the first. Your choice.

[Trenchcoat]

RWO, you're waiting till January next year to see her???

That's generally a bad idea, most FSW won't wait that long as 2tallbill has said they want a man of action. That's why she said what she said, she doesn't want a Keyboard Romeo spouting out lines of love and affection in a virtual relationship. FSW don't generally do virtual relationship they want a real relationship where the man rocks up. A couple of video chats and messaging for about a month is all you really need to determine if this girl is worth visiting, that's all I used to do. There's little point waffling on more than that as you're not going to learn anymore that's useful. I would set plans now to visit Moldova as soon as possible normally about a month away I used to do to give time for planning the trip. Go now while the weather is warm and sunny and good to eat out in, if you go in January if this ever survives that far it will be cold and so unpleasant to walk around in. Surprise her and tell her you are coming now.

I think the whole hinting at gifts is her trying to test you to see if you are at all serious about her. She doesn't want to prattle on for months with you and then you go off elsewhere. You're asking her for a significant time investment and she doesn't want to be used to keep a single guy company and then be ditched. As an attractive woman she will have other options along the way and if any of them turn out to be serious (as in visit her) she won't want to risk passing over on such guys with you. So far you have offered her nothing while she is hoping for someone who will provide for her and be more than just words, just talk. Be under no illusion RWO taking on the responsibility of you providing for a child of a FSW is a heavy financial burden. In Moldova she will get little help from the State as women do in the West. The Government of Moldova is poor and has little money to give out. If the Father has done a runner and not providing for the child then she needs a solution fast. Yes odds are she is talking to other guys but will be pressing for them all to rock up and not just talk, talk, talk.

That's the crux of the matter here RWO, it's not just a one way street of what you get. She needs to know that you will provide for her child and of course herself. You're getting yourself on the hook early on with a woman with a child that's why I bailed on that idea early on in my search. If you fully get onboard with this woman your money is going to be flowing out like water, fast. She will want this, that and the other (clothes, etc) but the child will be having needs all the time and the spend out will be continuous on a daily basis, food, clothes, medicine, toys, school fees, stuff for school, etc, etc, etc. That's aside from the big cost of getting them over to the US. What she is asking for is not unreasonable but you've got to realise that your value to her is as a potential provider her value to you is as an attractive model looking woman as Krim has said Quid Pro Quo.

So I would rock over there now if I were you, plan a date to travel in about a month's time, a few days, a week, whatever just to see if there is anything there with her. She'll respect you more for coming and you'll look a hell of a lot more serious. If you are serious about this lady I would go now or like 2tallbill says someone could get in their first. I could if I wanted to, I don't as I have said I don't want to take on a woman with a child, I can get that often raw deal in this country that I don't need to go abroad for it nor want it lol. But yeah if I so wanted I could chat her up Fdate, take a flight over in a few weeks and thrill the knickers off her Meanwhile you would still be chomping  away on your keyboard wondering why she is no longer responding to your messages and thinking her a scammer, think about it!

[Patagonie]

I will not send money. this is a fundamental rule, never send money even in wartime (Moldova is not a warzone).
You should understand the rules.
Until you have a relationship with her, in the FSU area, you are perfectly allowed, entitled to do NOTHING for her.
This is absolutely and perfectly respectable and this is totally understood by FSU women.   
   
If you send some money, even 50 bucks, and don't fuck her, you will come here to tell us about her to be a scammer.
If you send this money and don't fuck her you will have this bitter taste in your mouth forever that you have been played a fool and even if in the end it was just circumstances that didn't make the story you will have this doubt in your minds that she used you.
maybe in four months and this doubt will mine you and last forever, it will persist for your international dating in the future. 
 
This is what western men don't understand with money, unnecessary generosity bites back in the future. They play money for many reasons
and later are wounded in their self-esteem. You should think about it before playing the benefactor.

[Patagonie]

What you should do: 
stop to brag about what you gonna do, buy an airfare ticket and send her a copy, it will bond tremendously the relationship because she can focus on you emotionally (hoping that there are not 5 other men scheduled for the summer).   
     
Bring one or two INEXPENSIVE gifts from your country, and buy her some perfume (not the biggest flask, don't overdue). And when you left her (if you are really in a relationship with her, hope that you understand what's a real relationship with a woman and ONLY in this case) before your departure drops something like $200 or $300. She will be very grateful. 
Don't put a monthly allowance by transfer. That's an intensifier for scams and pushes the woman to fake if she meets another man. 
   
I personally met a man who have been scammed of $50000 because he set up a monthly allowance, until the last moment he was believing to marry her (she married a local instead at this same moment), he was highly depressed and his life was momentarily ruined. The fake relationship lasted for 15 months at least and she even opened her legs one time. 
Because of him, she, her family, and her boyfriend (husband) became quite rich and for this amount, could even buy a flat in a little city.
It was a worthy operation for them (everyone knew about it, her boyfriend, her family, and so on....)

[Patagonie]

From Bill:
4. Buy tickets, tell your girl to stretch out, limber up, drink lots of juice and
get lots of rest (because she will need her strength) and to lay out all of her
sexy panties on the kitchen table so you can decide which pair she should
wear to pick you up at the airport. 

5. Tell her to wear a dress because you will be checking the panties.

6. Find an apartment or Airbnb in her city and rent it, near the city center.

7. FSUW want a man, not an indecisive, apprehensive, scared of their own shadow, overly suspicious mess.

8. Seduce the girl, win her heart and plan your second trip to see her.
 
NB: when I am actively chasing in FSU I usually spend 6 weeks a year there, may you travel enough? Because if not maybe better to chase some local
chicks or go to Mexico.

[Trenchcoat]

RWO, Pat's giving you some real gems here, he has countless years of experience dating in the FSU and relationships so he knows the terrain very well indeed. He's talked to many people and asked around a lot and no doubt seen many things. Definitely take note and heed his advice I would say.

At this point I don't think there are any signs to show this woman has bad intent. If you're still interested in getting with a woman with a child go meet her as soon as, this Summer really is best. If you change your mind on getting with a woman with a child then tell her it doesn't work for you and move on. There's loads of FSW out there, Fdate is just one website DMnotify is another good website but a paid for monthly one, etc. If you're really serious still about this woman though I think you should really get out there with a sense of urgency as otherwise for a pretty girl some guy could really beat you to it and she'll drop you like hot coal in an instant if that happens and cut all communication with you, she won't be interested no more. Remember for you it's a long flight from the US but for a guy in many Western Europe countries it's a short flight of up to around 3 hours so a West European guy could go meet her in a weekend! Your relationship chances blown out the water as quick as that!!

[RussianWomenOnly]

My situation is that I am starting a new job.  It's a federal contracting job and I was suppose to start either the last week in July or first week in August.  With this new job, I have to save up vacation time and that's why I was thinking of visiting in January. 

I do not want to get scammed or get locked in of sending money because what if I visit and then we don't have any chemistry?  And yes, the child would be a great burden but I am ok with it as long as we have a strong bond.  I really will accept the child as my own if everything works out.