Re: Wife split!

[Wayne]

Air,

I am sorry to read about your story!  It was a good idea to put into a new thread.  Before you act on any advise in this forum, think about it carefully and try not to do something that can back-fire.

From what you have shared so far, it seems like your marriage is ended.  Marraiage and devorce laws are different in each state, so it would help to know which state you live.  Your wife waited until she got her 10 year green card to split, so there is probably nothing you can change with USCIS.  I would suggest that you have a meeting with an excellent divorce attorney and determine what a fair split of the marriage would be.  The credit card debt would be part of the settlement.  If you have the house, cars, furniture, etc.  you could still be ahead.  Your wife could get an attorney to represent her in your city, while still living in FSU.  You can file for divorce and try to get a fair settlement.  Making threats to your wife is not a good idea.  In fact, it would be better not contact her directly.  

If your wife left clothes and personal possessions at your home, she would be entitled to them anyway.  You could inventory all the items and have the daughter sign a receipt.  

Since you were married for about 4 years, this will be very difficult times.  It is hard to understand how a woman could be so selfish, plan something like this, and live such a lie!  I wich you luck!

[Maxx2]

The majority of RW in the US have no interest in trading up or finding a well-off American to marry. Most are quite content with what they have, which usually includes a Russian husband.

For the demographic that arrived here via K1s, Maxx may well be correct, but you guys are kidding yourself if you think the majority of RW are like the sad examples in his horror stories.

I feel the same way. That is why in spite of my own personal horror story I would consider a Russian woman as a wife. I would be quite cautious of those that were recent arrivals to the US. What I have noticed is that a number of them have as yet figured that a stable decent guy is a better deal than one who is just plain rich. Funny story. I and another fellow who's a friend was mentioned to a RW as a possibility. Her first question was "Which one has the most money?"

Here's some news stories about her and her profile:

http://www.dating.e-russianwomen.com/woman/?52912  She's more like 5-2 than 5-6 and she sure is a social drinker. Notice her age and her desired age preference. 
http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/woman_charged_in_jewelry_scam/5387/
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0308/503255.html
http://www.gainesville-times.com/news/2008/mar/12/police-reports-3-11/

She's not your typical Russian woman.
  

[UTRO]

Air,

I am sorry to read about your story!  It was a good idea to put into a new thread.  Before you act on any advise in this forum, think about it carefully and try not to do something that can back-fire.

From what you have shared so far, it seems like your marriage is ended.  Marraiage and devorce laws are different in each state, so it would help to know which state you live.  Your wife waited until she got her 10 year green card to split, so there is probably nothing you can change with USCIS.  I would suggest that you have a meeting with an excellent divorce attorney and determine what a fair split of the marriage would be.  The credit card debt would be part of the settlement.  If you have the house, cars, furniture, etc.  you could still be ahead.  Your wife could get an attorney to represent her in your city, while still living in FSU.  You can file for divorce and try to get a fair settlement.  Making threats to your wife is not a good idea.  In fact, it would be better not contact her directly.  

If your wife left clothes and personal possessions at your home, she would be entitled to them anyway.  You could inventory all the items and have the daughter sign a receipt.  

Since you were married for about 4 years, this will be very difficult times.  It is hard to understand how a woman could be so selfish, plan something like this, and live such a lie!  I wich you luck!

Gonna' comment on Wayne's spelling too Maxx2?

[Gator]

Maxx,

You and Sveta would make a great team.  You have the gold and she has the diamonds.

Her mug shot differs remarkably from her glamour shot.

[GoodOlBoy]

I'll throw in a little story here that I know to be factual.

There is a RW residing here in Sunny Isles Beach who liked to do a "little scam" of her own.

She would go to Sak's Fifth Avenue, Bloomingdales, etc. (high end retail stores) and purchase dresses (pay cash), for say around $800. or more.

She would then go to Ross, TJ Max and a couple of the other discount stores where she could find a much cheaper dress VERY similar in appearance (knock off).

She would then go home and carefully remove all the labels from the "expensive" dress and sew them into the "cheap" knock off dress.

She even had one of those "guns" used to attach the cost tag back onto the garment.

She would return the "fake" dress to Sak's..etc. and get her cash back.

So she not only had scammed the high end store out of their money, she also had a VERY nice wardrobe at home of high end fashion clothes.

She did the same thing with blouses, skirts, etc.

You gotta love those "clever" RW. 


GOB

[Maxx2]

Gonna' comment on Wayne's spelling too Maxx2?

That was my gentle rib to you done with a wink. Spelling is not my strong suit and neither is sentence structure. I sometimes think I have some form of dyslexia as I untangle some of my sentences.


Maxx

[Maxx2]

I'll throw in a little story here that I know to be factual.

There is a RW residing here in Sunny Isles Beach who liked to do a "little scam" of her own.

She would go to Sak's Fifth Avenue, Bloomingdales, etc. (high end retail stores) and purchase dresses (pay cash), for say around $800. or more.

She would then go to Ross, TJ Max and a couple of the other discount stores where she could find a dress VERY similar in appearance (knock off).

She would then go home and carefully remove all the labels from the "expensive" dress and sew them into the "cheap" knock off dress.

She even had one of those "guns" used to attach the cost tag back onto the garment.

She would return the "fake" dress to Sak's..etc. and get her cash back.

So she not only had scammed the high end store out of their money, she also had a VERY nice wardrobe at home of high end fashion clothes.

She did the same thing with blouses, skirts, etc.

You gotta love those "clever" RW. 


GOB

GOB, the Russian lady in my story did the exact same thing. Buying expensive clothes and similar looking cheap clothes. Then switching labels and returning the cheap clothes for a refund. She got caught and spent some time in jail. While she was in jail her American boyfriend pawned her gold jewelry (probably stolen goods and no I didn't buy them). Then he went to Russia on an extended vacation. Svetlana through another Russian contacted me and wanted to know if I knew anybody there that could mess this guy up. Of course the Russian women go between knew this was all ridiculous and just wanted to tell me more about Svetlana. She also told me that Svetlana asked her attorney while still in jail if he knew anybody that would buy diamonds...


Maxx 

[Doll]

Can anybody who talks about detectives explain me what illegal  Air's wife did?
What she did is not nice but totally legal.
Anybody? Explain me.

[Ranetka]

GOB, the Russian lady in my story did the exact same thing. Buying expensive clothes and similar looking cheap clothes. Then switching labels and returning the cheap clothes for a refund. She got caught and spent some time in jail. While she was in jail her American boyfriend pawned her gold jewelry (probably stolen goods and no I didn't buy them). Then he went to Russia on an extended vacation. Svetlana through another Russian contacted me and wanted to know if I knew anybody there that could mess this guy up. Of course the Russian women go between knew this was all ridiculous and just wanted to tell me more about Svetlana. She also told me that Svetlana asked her attorney while still in jail if he knew anybody that would buy diamonds...


Maxx 

The lady on the picture is actually Jewish...So what? ....

[ConnerVT]

Can anybody who talks about detectives explain me what illegal  Air's wife did?
What she did is not nice but totally legal.
Anybody? Explain me.

I'm not an attorney, so I'm likely not 100% correct.

As her actions are certainly a precursor to divorce, most judges would see taking a significant amount of assets, and moving them out of the court's jurisdiction (the USA), as an attempt to hide those assets.  Most judges would see that as Contempt of Court (the crime), and would likely hurt the person doing so when the judge distributes the marital assets (the blowback from that action).

[Maxx2]

Can anybody who talks about detectives explain me what illegal  Air's wife did?
What she did is not nice but totally legal.
Anybody? Explain me.

Women who do what Air's wife had done such as hiding that she had a boyfriend is likely that she is hiding other things as well. To know what those things are could be useful in a divorce or an annulment. As example her boyfriend could be her husband that she never divorced. I have seen this happen a number times. Or that she submitted false counterfeit documents to the USCIS? Or she might be hiding that she has a criminal history? Maybe she has had arrests for prostitution? I've seen that as well. The sympathy in American courts usually goes with the foreign women. The court looks at them as helpless poor things that were dragged over here by their husbands.

[Maxx2]

The lady on the picture is actually Jewish...So what? ....

I never mentioned what religion she was. Frankly I didn't know it and don't see it as a issue anyway.

[Maxx2]

I'm not an attorney, so I'm likely not 100% correct.

As her actions are certainly a precursor to divorce, most judges would see taking a significant amount of assets, and moving them out of the court's jurisdiction (the USA), as an attempt to hide those assets.  Most judges would see that as Contempt of Court (the crime), and would likely hurt the person doing so when the judge distributes the marital assets (the blowback from that action).

There is also the possibility that the judge reviewing her actions might assign her the majority (or all ) responsibility of the debts.

[Doll]

Women who do what Air's wife had done such as hiding that she had a boyfriend is likely that she is hiding other things as well. To know what those things are could be useful in a divorce or an annulment. As example her boyfriend could be her husband that she never divorced. I have seen this happen a number times. Or that she submitted false counterfeit documents to the USCIS? Or she might be hiding that she has a criminal history? Maybe she has had arrests for prostitution? I've seen that as well. The sympathy in American courts usually goes with the foreign women. The court looks at them as helpless poor things that were dragged over here by their husbands.

I don't get it- "the court looks at it" The court is NOT going to look at anything rather than splitting the marital property.
You've watched too many movies. There will be almost no hearing.This 125K is gone and was taken legally. It was ugly but totally legal.
Also, there was no false documents or prostitution. You're funny, Maxx.
Air could withdraw same amount any time from this account and that would have been legal.

[Doll]

There is also the possibility that the judge reviewing her actions might assign her the majority (or all ) responsibility of the debts.

Not if she is in Russia.
Like I said- there is nothing illegal in her actions, don't get excited.

[Ronnie]

Doll, you have a better handle on the situation that most.  I congratulate you.  I can only offer that perhaps some of the commentors don't live in a no-fault divorce state.  I'm assuming that there are some left.

Taking money from one account to another could be an attempt to hide assets but it doesn't seem so in this case.  I assume the lady wired the money to Russia, because like many RW, if she had the same money she could get in the west, she'd stay or return to Russia.  I believe the old RWG had a poll of RW that reflected this tendency as long as she could be with the man she loves.  That seems to be Alex the RM.

[Doll]

Doll, you have a better handle on the situation that most.  I congratulate you.  I can only offer that perhaps some of the commentors don't live in a no-fault divorce state.  I'm assuming that there are some left.

Taking money from one account to another could be an attempt to hide assets but it doesn't seem so in this case.  I assume the lady wired the money to Russia, because like many RW, if she had the same money she could get in the west, she'd stay or return to Russia.  I believe the old RWG had a poll of RW that reflected this tendency as long as she could be with the man she loves.  That seems to be Alex the RM.

"Could be" is not the subject for the divorce court. I would NOT talk of RW here as just right now our friend is getting through same situation- his wife took 460K from their account  and filed for the divorce. It happens quite often regardless nationality.
460 is not a laughing matter believe me. The court said nothing!
Thanks for the congrats though
This is simple- it is all about the joint accounts. Any of us can do it any minute.

[Doll]

I believe the old RWG had a poll of RW that reflected this tendency as long as she could be with the man she loves.

What THIS tendency?
There is and was just a couple of RW on both boards, though there was such a poll on the Russian forum- the majority said that they would stay with their husbands regardless.
Guess what- a simple logic says if the man makes good money, he is going to keep making it. So a woman is better off staying with her husband.

The case in this thread is the exception for sure. It is NOT typical.

[Doll]

Maxx, would you mind posting your Site for us loosers who don't know better?

[Maxx2]

Doll, you have a better handle on the situation that most.  I congratulate you.  

Ronnie, Doll, I wrote this a while back. You two fit somewhere in there.
 
Quote from: groovlstk on December 01, 2008, 06:54:23 PM

Contrary to what some might think, I also believe that people on this board do not automatically side with the man in this situation.

No, mostly the men are put on the defensive. They are blamed for being conned. The reasons why,

1) To boost to their ego that they were smart enough to avoid such trouble. Many times they are just lucky.
2) Man haters, both women and men. Usually had daddy, brother or ex-husband problems. "Hating" can range from full bore hatred to just irritation with men.
3) RW sisterhood solidarity types.
4) Men with misplaced chivary.
5) They're GCGs!!
6) Men married to women who are GCGs in heart.
7) The Male need to strut to impress the women on this forum by sounding wise and show they are lovers of womankind.  


Maxx  

[Doll]

BTW, one more time to ask: what part of the whole thing this 125 was?
A half, one third, one tenth, 90%?
Could be anything.

Maxx2, I am impressed by these 7 reasons! One more time! 

[BillyB]

I don't get it- "the court looks at it" The court is NOT going to look at anything rather than splitting the marital property.
You've watched too many movies. There will be almost no hearing.This 125K is gone and was taken legally. It was ugly but totally legal.
Also, there was no false documents or prostitution. You're funny, Maxx.
Air could withdraw same amount any time from this account and that would have been legal.

The wife didn't do anything illegal. It wasn't nice but it was legal. As far as I know, they weren't going through a divorce proceeding where a judge froze assets yet for the court to decide who gets what. If by any chance what she did was illegal, the husband probably could sue the bank who wired the money to Russia illegally. But I doubt anything there was illegal since her name was on the joint banking account. She or he has the right to move some or all the money out.

Some men in divorce claimed their wife spent all the savings in the bank he had before he married and she ran up the credit cards over a number of years when they were married. He will not be able to claim any of the lost money from a gold digging wife. It's her right to spend money that way over a long period of time or short period of time. Most likely a judge only has the right to split the remaining assets in a divorce if there's any left.

If the wife miraculously comes back to the States and  goes to divorce court and says she still has the money, the judge could issue a court order freezing it. If she says she spent it all or put it up her nose, there's nothing a judge could do except if there is proof the money is still out there to be divided between the both of them.

[KenC]

I don't believe that the court would be so stupid as to accept that the woman just happened to withdraw this money.  In my first divorce, the judge took a long hard look at all asset movement 12 to 18 months prior to my filling for divorce.  The money would surely be included in the assets to be divided if the woman ever came back into this jurisdiction.  Her actions may even have been illegal (fraud comes to mind) but it is no matter if she never returns to USA.
KenC

[Doll]

  The money would surely be included in the assets to be divided if the woman ever came back into this jurisdiction.  Her actions may even have been illegal (fraud comes to mind) but it is no matter if she never returns to USA.
 

The money will not be included and her actions will not considered fraud. She will return to the USA but not for the hearing.
I am not being mean to the OP- this is what her logic would say.

[Faux Pas]

I don't believe that the court would be so stupid as to accept that the woman just happened to withdraw this money.  In my first divorce, the judge took a long hard look at all asset movement 12 to 18 months prior to my filling for divorce.  The money would surely be included in the assets to be divided if the woman ever came back into this jurisdiction.  Her actions may even have been illegal (fraud comes to mind) but it is no matter if she never returns to USA.
KenCbe no crime.

Fraud and deception. She took all the money and abandon her husband leaving the country. Most courts would see the joint bank account as both of their money and marital assets. If she had taken only half there would be no crime or deception. But I doubt he's going to get much sympathy from the judge.