Life Changes...Part Deux

[andrewfi]

Billy wrote that A. wasn't as sharp as he is.

A sobering thought.

...On two levels, the second being: why would any man purposefully pursue a woman noticeably less bright than himself?

[facetrock]

 Andrew I know couples who do have a difference in their intellectual capacities and seem to be very happy but I'm sure its not true in all cases. Lots of reasons people are attracted to each other. Wether one has a doctorate in quantum physics and the other never made it to college is not a deal breaker IMO. Might even be the reason for attraction. I'm sure its not the norm but I wouldnt bet against a couple because of it.

Good luck to you Billy, hope all goes well.

[BC]

Trying to recruit people to join your bandwagon? PG and I are two very different men.

Nope, I stand on my own. OTOH you do seem to have a touch of exhibitionist in ya like you want to draw a crowd.  Simply TMI.  Boil it down to the basics.  Thanks for the hint though, is appreciated - On second thought you are right.  The center of PG's life was his GF and not himself, yes a notable difference indeed.

Baiting me for some answers? I told everyone that I won't talk about everything in the trip but there are more things that happened that would shock you more than the talk I had with mom.

Baiting??  You're dangling the carrot, but no, not really interested.  I admit I don't follow every post in this thread and just skim from time to time... I believe after all in sanity and mental well being.  Others don't smoke, I try not to read to much crappola.  All that would be interesting to know is if the your relationship hit a more intimate stage than what I recall being described. (and no, I'm not going to go back and review 26 pages of posts)

What have you been reading? Mom and A has pegged me? A has lots of men writing her. Her profile was listed in Europe. Mom tells me fellow doctors have asked her permission to marry her daughter. Lot's of men on the beach hit on her. Out of all the men she could choose from, she and her mom choose me? Yep, BillyB is the American man they decided to use and screw over. It took me many months to get A's phone number. I doubt she was jumping at the chance to hitch a ride to America with any guy. I took it as she was being cautious with men and wanted to choose wisely.

Choose wisely?.. I sorta remember all the 'wise' things I did at 18, even getting married.  Go figure..  But I guess you were a sage at that age.  Me? I didn't listen to my mom and that's par for the course at that age.  Yeah I took my lumps, but that's what seems so strange and puzzling about A as you describe her.  

A and her mom cooked me many meals. They bought me many gifts and gave a pearl necklace to give to to my mom. They had opportunities to try to crack open my wallet and they didn't. I was introduced to lots of people in their life. This is their behavior towards me without any promises from me to marry or be in any kind of relationship with A. They were very good hostesses to me. This was said before but is there anything good an FSU woman can do without you thinking they are talking advantage of a man?

You used 'they' four times in one small paragraph.  I enjoy not living with MIL but do know the power they can wield over their young offspring.  A threesome relationship hardly works out well.  You may think the world of your future MIL, but will never have a true relationship until you can break that bond and replace yourself in the equation as the constant.  Good luck with that as you seem to be more accepting than replacing.. but yeah, what can be expected in a couple weeks together. I can understand marrying a woman with child, but don't understand the concept of marrying a daughter with mother.  My gut or your fate, in the end no skin off my back.

Invite jb here if you value his opionion more than your own. Me thinks some of you are not happy with the results and the fact I can't be screwed. I'm a very happy man in a relationship and I'm a very happy man being single. To be able to forge your life and be happy wherever you go is a great thing. Try it. You won't be lonely and you cry less. Just because you can feel some kinds of pain doesn't mean I'll feel it.

As to opionion, jb had a knack for peeling one quite well without crying.  I think I'll do the same.  I'll buy friendship after a quick trip, but IMHE a relationship takes a bit longer, at least another RT ticket.

Earlier you were getting bored with the thread and asked me to get back to you when the paperwork is signed. You mentioned the signed paperwork as if it's getting real results. Now it's too easy for guys to get FSU women to marry them? I've never seen you say that before. Most men go to the FSU and come back empty handed. From my experience, most FSU women are not desperate and stoop to low levels to get married for reasons other than love. Your statement is an insult to FSU women, not me.

I admit I was not expecting a DHL courrier instead of hearing that you fell to your knees to propose in front of a tearful mother (where is future FIL btw?), but maybe I missed something along the way. But I wasn't shocked either. Sh@t happens. Do feel free to point me in the right direction though if I did miss something.

There are a few RW around here, let them speak for themselves if I have insulted them.

Months ago I mentioned I would test a lady I was in a relationship with and you didn't say a thing.

A week ago I posted that I did a test and you and Tom didn't say a thing. You both stayed quiet and waited for the results. If the results was A told men on the internet she's still single, people would have praised me for avoiding a disaster but....the result isn't what you both wanted to hear so now the insults come out? Why didn't you speak up before if you really felt that way? I continue to learn more about human behavior in this thread. I'm glad to learn you two are fine gentlemen with moral and ethical standards above the rest and would speak your mind in a moments notice on an issue of concern.

I remember a guy coming onto the forum saying he hired a private detection to see what his fiancee is doing in the FSU. He found out she had another boyfriend. Do you feel he's an unethical guy too? I don't feel bothered with what he did. He may have had a good reason. As long as a man and woman isn't insecure and tests their partner over and over with fake profiles, hiring detectives every month, or installing key loggers on the computer, I'm not bothered if they want to make sure their significant other isn't trying to use them. Make no mistake, your lady will test you. She may watch your eyes, she may have her friend hit on you. She may tell you she has no problem if you to go to the strip club.

As I said, I don't read every word written here, nor do I review hourly or even daily but obviously you take my participation more seriously than I do.  Yes, all this 'testing' stuff raised the hair on the back of my neck.  If there is anything I have learned in life it's that trust, even blind is the cornerstone of a marital relationship. Only experience and actions can confirm it.  'Trust but verify' is politics and business, not relationships.  You have not been together enough to even think about trust IMHO. But hey, that's just me vs a OWW.

[BillyB]

Billy,

I asked if you would like me to create a fictitious profile and try to entrap A.

Tom, if you were as persistent in getting answers everybody wanted from HRB/RLM as you are with me, we'd love ya. My answer to you on that question is "no" for a number of reasons.

1) You don't share the same reasons I have for doing the test.

2) It doesn't take two people to make one profile and I don't need someone to hold my hand.

3) I need only one test for my answer. Got the answer already. A has been honest with me. Why are those who think A and her mom are lying and using me the same people who are against verifying honesty? :noidea:

4) Since you think a test is unethical, I will not ask you to bend your principles on my account. Contrary to popular belief, I do not go to the FSU to bend RW's principles for my selfish desires. If a woman gives herself to me, it's not because I pressure her but because she does on her own free will.

Hopefully she is not stupid enough to have babies right away and focus on being a perfect little Stepford wife for Billy, but will make something of herself in the US and get a useful degree at least.

A and I talked about her getting an education and holding off on babies but why is being a Stepford wife a bad thing? Any woman reading is free to answer the question.

Pitbull, maybe there was a time in your life where you had big dreams meeting a wonderful a man that you would melt in his arms for the rest of your life. Maybe you would do anything for him. Cook, clean, and happily wash his dirty underwear. Maybe you have met a lot of disappointment and you require much more from a man if you are to marry him. I've dated enough older women to understand they've met disappointment and if they do or say something that doesn't make me happy and blame it on a previous man in their life, I tell them "don't punish me for what another man has done to you".

I mentioned earlier in this thread that I believe a large part woman's behavior is based on the man she's with. If she's with a low quality man, she will run over him. If she's with an average man, she may want him to do half or most of the chores in the house. If she's with a man she respects and he treats her like a queen and he takes care of all the manly duties, she will happily treat him as a king and do all the traditional woman's duties in the home.

I see nothing wrong with you or any man "testing" any woman who you think could be a possible wife.  Many men do so and with a clear conscious.
 

Jack, I sleep good at night. My conscience is so clear I can post the results knowing people will call me unethical.

There's a big difference from someone creating a profile to cause malicious harm by playing games and a profile for useful reasons. To A's benefit, I respect her much more now. Also I'm not about to take a chance in giving up one year of my life on an international romance unless I know 100% that the woman is exclusive to me. Her commitment to me doesn't have to be forever but for the moment. I understand people's hearts change.

If A was insincere, I'd dump her and go find a sincere woman without hesitation. It's good for me and good for the sincere women out there. Many of those sincere women sit home wondering where all the good men are at. Well... many of those men are currently getting used by insincere women.

Lot's of men do find insincere women in the FSU. We all know it happens just as RW find insincere men who make all kinds of promises and disappears. If those people want to waste 1 year of their life with an insincere person, that's their business. They won't be able to take that year of their life back. I don't have time to waste and I'm not stupid. If a woman wants to be in my life, some trust is given, not 100% and trust needs to be earned and I'm also willing to earn her trust too.

As far as testing a woman.  Unless she gives you cause for concern I would see no reason to test her.  If she does give you cause for concern, it is probably better to run than to test her.

TG, I remember your wife coming to this forum secretly to read thousands of your posts before she married you. She read your past trip reports to other women and still married you. I don't think she read your posts to be concerned you doing something behind her back but she needed to know more about you and your behavior. My critics who call me unethical are even concerned with A's character being insincere more than I. I have more faith in A being sincere than they do yet I'm humble enough to know I don't have all the answers and need more verification.

Are you upset with what your wife read your posts secretly? The only people who need to be upset with a "test" are those who fail it. If a RW or Western man came to this forum and say they made a fake profile to test their fiance/fiancee and their fiance/faincee lied and the RW/man out of the engagement, I would never call that RW or man unethical. I'd call him or her smart for taking care of their lives. I'm running my life and it's up to nobody else but me to take care of it and prevent crap from entering it.

Where in the world did I type that A was not a fine girl/woman?

Tim, you've been good to me but you did say I get to pay for what I want in your previous post. I was not insulted by what you wrote because I know there are lots of people who think I will pay for a bad decision and my response was not only directed to you. I don't see what I'm doing as making a bad decision or A being a bad woman as some people imply. If a guy meets a high quality woman that's has the same thinking on how life in marriage supposed to be and similar goals in life, the guy would be stupid not to marry her. I've weighed everything and even if my relationship with A ends in a few days or 10 years from now, I can move on with my life with continued success so there is not much to pay, There's not much risk but their are great rewards.

Earlier in this thread people began to wonder if I lost focus with ever getting married again. I've never lost focused. I know what kind of woman I can live with and it would be a matter of time before I find her. She could be older or much younger than I. Some guys are thrilled and thinking marriage with the first woman that writes them. I need much more attention and information about a lady before I jump on a plane.

Look around the forum and see who gets along with each other and who don't.

I may get along with a person like Lily, a RW. There may be times she doesn't agree with me but she always seem to respect my and other people's opinion gracefully, not in a confrontational way.

I usually don't get along with Boethius, a Canadian woman married to a UM. We are opposites on lots of issues but I can readily admit she is in a successful loving marriage because she found the right man. I would never predict gloom and doom in her marriage just because she disagrees with me.

Now based off my thinking and writing, one can safely assume I'm going to attract certain RW when corresponding with them and I will turn off others. The women I attract may be more like Lily in character, presentation, manners, and mind. I could never attract a woman like Boethius but I'm sure other men could because they would be a better match and they would be attracted to each other as I am with A and A with me.

In the end, if I can attract a RW with the same thoughts about how to live life, a good woman and one that's into me, then I've been successful in how I find women. In my thread "life changes part one" I've met quality women and things didn't work out for various reasons which included me rejecting some of them and thus there was nobody I would have proposed to but it doesn't mean the women I met were bad. In this thread I've met quality women and the only one I asked to make a life with me has accepted. If A didn't accept, I could continue to find and meet quality women.

thing that bothers me about it is the description of Mama's involvement in A's decision making process.  While having the MIL as an ally has been described as a wonderful asset at times, so much involvement just seems over the top..

Mom is greatly involved in A's life to try and understand what kind of man I am for the benefit of her daughter. That I know. One conversation we had, mom complained she wanted A to be a doctor and A replied "I'm going to make the decisions in my life". I believe A is going to make the final decisions in her life, not mom. Mom is a smart woman. She tries to guide A on a path she wants in life and if A doesn't want to take that path, mom will try to help A be successful on the path A wants to walk. When A is with me, mom will not be involved in A's life as much since she's half way across the World and if we ever sponsor mom to America, I will lay down some house rules with rule #1 being I'm the master of the house. If mom wants to promote A and I to have a healthy marriage and sex life as she did in Ukraine, I'm all for that kind of promotion but if she tries to destroy my marriage, then she will have to leave the house.

Billy: When children arrive, women know they are mothers whilst men assume they are fathers.  

I know what you mean. Come to my neighborhood. All the children in the neighborhood look like me and all the men have puzzled looks on their face.

why would any man purposefully pursue a woman noticeably less bright than himself?

Why? Women respect and treat men much better when they know his brain is sexy. Do you know how women will treat you if she thinks you're average or even stupid? I like good treatment.

I agree with what mom said earlier. A successful marriage can happen if a woman is smart or stupid. A successful marriage can't happen if a man is stupid. If he is stupid, he's finished. A is smart for her age but I have much more life experience and much wiser.

Now I will admit A is smarter than me in languages. She knows 5 while I know 2, English and Bad English.

she wears fishnet stockings during summer

I like fishnet stockings and I'm glad my gal wears them! In Ukraine she can wear things she normally doesn't wear back in Libya but she's comfortable in more conservative attire too. I like the fact she changes her hair occasionally. Standing next to her cousin, she has her hair tied up in the photo below but I told her not to cut it. I like long hair since since there are times I need something to hold onto.


On a recent phone conversation, A was at a friend's house and told me they're playing monopoly. It's now her favorite game. She told her friend to play the piano for me and said she's going to learn piano now. She always asks about my kids, gives me recommendations on what to do with them, how to raise them..in a polite way, and praises me when I tell her about my activities with my kids. She has ideas of our future family going to the beach, forest, mountains or just for a drive somewhere for fun. It's almost a year now since I corresponded with A. She never talks dirty and she is into clean, wholesome, family orientated fun. I'm glad I found her.

[TomT]

If A. is so obtuse that she can't recognize your excessive wordiness, then your test might be worth something.

[pitbull]

Pitbull, maybe there was a time in your life where you had big dreams meeting a wonderful a man that you would melt in his arms for the rest of your life. Maybe you would do anything for him. Cook, clean, and happily wash his dirty underwear. Maybe you have met a lot of disappointment and you require much more from a man if you are to marry him. I've dated enough older women to understand they've met disappointment and if they do or say something that doesn't make me happy and blame it on a previous man in their life, I tell them "don't punish me for what another man has done to you".

Billy, you crack me up. Imagine, I do require much more from a man than the privilege to "Cook, clean, and happily wash his dirty underwear", if I am to marry him. Oh, yes the only disappointment I've experience before meeting my husband, was in self-proclaimed "Real Macho Men". In my experience they tend to have low IQ, are bad lovers (those two correlate I believe) and generally fit the "Large truck - small d.ck" description.

On a different note, congratulations, the girlie is really beautiful, great body! You will have a lot of fun with it 
As you've mentioned, if this relationship lasts 10 days or 10 years - it's all going to be an upside for you. She is basically a frill in your life. Looks like she (or her mom) is at least not totally stupid with the "education before babies" plan. Hope she will get much more out of the deal 

[GoodOlBoy]

WikiLeaks: Gaddafi never without 'voluptuous' nurse.

http://www.africareview.com/News/WikiLeaks%20say%20Gaddafi%20never%20without%20voluptuous%20nurse/-/979180/1062402/-/10a6b6wz/-/index.html

Gaddafi had a team of nurses and "relies heavily on his long-time Ukrainian nurse, Galyna Kolotnytska, who has been described as a 'voluptuous blond,'" said a secret cable from the Tripoli embassy dated September 29, 2009, written by the US ambassador, Gene Cretz.

"Some embassy contacts have claimed that Gaddafi and the 38 year-old Kolotnytska have a romantic relationship," it said.

How old is Mom BB ?


GOB

[Walerian]

Good for you Billy. You seem to know what you want out of life and make sure you get it. I love the attitude.

I have one question, as one who is new in game. Iīve been e-mailing with a girl from St. Petersburg through a site which is not at all a dating site, but I enjoy talking to her and weīll see what happends.

I did notice that some FSU women (and her of course) has a tendency to write a lot of )))) in a row at the end of sentences. Is that suppose to be a smiley or many smileys or what is the deal with that? Is the any difference between letīs say three ))) and five )))))?

If it is a smiley, how come they donīt make smileys like or =) or :-) and the like?

PS. The reason I ask here is because I noticed one of your girls did the same thing.

[ML]

Yes, many (perhaps most) FSU people like to use the )))) without any eyes or nose.  I tried to explain to them the error of their ways . . . but to no avail.  :-)

[Daveman]

Yes, many (perhaps most) FSU people like to use the )))) without any eyes or nose.  I tried to explain to them the error of their ways . . . but to no avail.  :-)

The )))))'s represent how many teeth the woman has left..  if she smiles with )), she has the jack rabbit look...  just hope you never get one like this ))  )) , or ')'''')' . In the case of the latter, be sure to wear neck protection.

[dogspot]

) = having a bad or so-so day and you almost, kinda made her smile
)) = half smiling; smirk; stupid joke kind of smile
))) = genuine happy smile
)))) =  you made her laugh and want to hug you
))))) =  she wants to plant a big fat kiss on your mug and make you smile as much as she
)))))+ = watch out! Get on a friggin plane now!

[Walerian]

Yes, many (perhaps most) FSU people like to use the )))) without any eyes or nose.  I tried to explain to them the error of their ways . . . but to no avail.  :-)

Haha, and what is their response to that?
Iīm reminded of my math teacher in 7th through 9th grade. She always said mathematicians are lazy and proceeded to always make the equations (or whatever the problem was) with as little writing as possible, without it being wrong of course.

Perhaps the same could be same for the FSU women. Making ))) is easier than :-) haha.

The )))))'s represent how many teeth the woman has left..  if she smiles with )), she has the jack rabbit look...  just hope you never get one like this ))  )) , or ')'''')' . In the case of the latter, be sure to wear neck protection.

Hahaha. What do you mean? Vampires are hot  
But if not, I should be searching every small corner with a lantern for people who use this then
))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))  

) = having a bad or so-so day and you almost, kinda made her smile
)) = half smiling; smirk; stupid joke kind of smile
))) = genuine happy smile
)))) =  you made her laugh and want to hug you
))))) =  she wants to plant a big fat kiss on your mug and make you smile as much as she
)))))+ = watch out! Get on a friggin plane now!

Seriously? It it the more you use, the happier you are? Just like if a western girl does 3 smilies in a row is more worth than one?

[TomT]

In my experience they [self-proclaimed "Real Macho Men"] tend to have low IQ, are bad lovers (those two correlate I believe) and generally fit the "Large truck - small d.ck" description.

Now THAT'S funny.

[Boethius]

Have you met Papa yet, Billy?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8197617/German-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html

[GQBlues]

Have you met Papa yet, Billy?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8197617/German-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html

 

Papa could've at least poured vodka over his work and prevented infection....poor guy.

[Jumper]

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/world-affairs-board-pub/57360-german-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html



I link with a bit more information,
seems the original article was off a bit on details ..



What might be more interesting is that forum membership's general sympathy for the father,
and that they understood his actions (while not condoning them)

[Rubicon]

I find it even more strange that A's mother is welcoming this relationship.

[andrewfi]

I find it even more strange that A's mother is welcoming this relationship.

I am sure that not everything is as we have been told.
I am sure that not everything is as Billy imagines.
I am sure that this this girl's mother has an agenda that might, or might not, be shared with her young daughter.

As to the stuff about the bloke and chopping his nuts off. I have NO sympathy for the father and I have no respect for those who support him and his action.
While one might disagree with the two having had a relationship any person who acts as the father did is in the wrong. On reading the second reference my conclusion was that there was probably something very wrong going on in the girl's family in order for her to need a relationship with a 'father' and where the real father could possibly think that this was a proper way to act.

[Boethius]

I would hazard a guess the mother's "agenda" was shared with her daughter.

I do have sympathy for the father in that story.  That doesn't mean I think what he did was right, or justified.  But I will say, had the father done the same thing, in the same circumstances, in Ukraine, he'd likely receive a suspended sentence.  He wouldn't be facing an attempted murder charge.

We don't know if anything was wrong.  It could also be as simple as a materialistic girl who was manipulated by a much older man, with trinkets and goods she couldn't afford on her own.

[BillyB]

Happy New Year everyone!

Oh, yes the only disappointment I've experience before meeting my husband, was in self-proclaimed "Real Macho Men". In my experience they tend to have low IQ, are bad lovers (those two correlate I believe) and generally fit the "Large truck - small d.ck" description.

How many macho men and small dicks have you met? I don't have sympathy for women who tell me they met macho men with low IQ's and then went to bed with them. I don't have sympathy for women who ran into all the wrong men most of their lives.

Fortunately for A, she has not experienced the pain you've experienced. I for one believe in President Theodore Roosevelt's motto "Speak softly and carry a big stick". I don't talk much and I look for women that are into me and do most of the talking.

Gaddafi had a team of nurses and "relies heavily on his long-time Ukrainian nurse, Galyna Kolotnytska, who has been described as a 'voluptuous blond,'" said a secret cable from the Tripoli embassy dated September 29, 2009, written by the US ambassador, Gene Cretz.

"Some embassy contacts have claimed that Gaddafi and the 38 year-old Kolotnytska have a romantic relationship,"

How old is Mom BB ?

As I mention earlier in this thread, mom is 47. I also said she's slim, not voluptous and she's a doctor, not a nurse.

I spoke to A about this nurse and she knows about her but not if they have a romantic relationship. She also said Gaddafi welcomes Ukrainian medical professionals to his country and even created a clinic with all Ukrainians working there.

Good for you Billy. You seem to know what you want out of life and make sure you get it. I love the attitude.

I have one question, as one who is new in game. Iīve been e-mailing with a girl from St. Petersburg through a site which is not at all a dating site, but I enjoy talking to her and weīll see what happends.

I did notice that some FSU women (and her of course) has a tendency to write a lot of )))) in a row at the end of sentences. Is that suppose to be a smiley or many smileys or what is the deal with that? Is the any difference between letīs say three ))) and five )))))?

If it is a smiley, how come they donīt make smileys like  or =) or :-) and the like?

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the compliment. I do have a positive attitude and a happy guy. People who generally make good choices in life are usually happy.

As for your question, it seems manlooking, Daveman, and dogspot answered))))  Don't put too much though in smilies. It's better to hear her voice)))))))))))

Have you met Papa yet, Billy?

As I mention earlier in this thread, "no". He is a major for INTERPOL working in a different country.

I find it even more strange that A's mother is welcoming this relationship.

As I mention earlier in this thread mom didn't welcome me with open arms but she grew to like me. In another thread you quoted the Bible that whoever believes in Jesus should will have everlasting life. If I believe in Jesus yet I marry a younger woman who also believes in Jesus, should her mother not welcome the relationship or are we destined for hell? You should read the Bible more often and check out the age differences between couples in there. You and others shouldn't let other people's decisions bother you so much.

I am sure that not everything is as we have been told.
I am sure that not everything is as Billy imagines.
I am sure that this this girl's mother has an agenda that might, or might not, be shared with her young daughter.

I am sure based off responses I've gotten in this thread there's a big difference in attitude from those who have and those who have not.

I would hazard a guess the mother's "agenda" was shared with her daughter.

Yeah mom has an agenda! She wants her daughter to be happy and educated. How many of you have the love, time and energy to give your kids so that they learn 5 languages and bring them up in a way that they never use bad language and have exceptionally good manners? If some of you think that there is an insincere agenda here, let me in on the secret. It doesn't matter if A is young. I can go date college age Russian women all day everyday. I know some of those young women will want to get into my wallet, some will want a ticket to America and some will actually like me. If you think I don't know which women is which, let me in on your thoughts. Either you or I is wrong and the forum needs to understand which one of us can't distinguish sincere from the insincere women.

I know some of you are still in shock after reading this thread. I upset people when I was single dating multiple women. I upset people when I commit to one women. I know the stuff that I'm going through doesn't happen to many guys but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. With the internet making it easier to find people and with the right knowledge, there is a good chance any guy can find a high quality woman. Keeping the woman depends on the guy himself.



A few weeks ago A told me she and mom put up their Christmas tree and she asked if I like real or plastic trees. I told her I liked plastic because it's not as messy with the pine needles falling all over the place. She said she doesn't mind cleaning up and began to tell me her best childhood memories are with real trees and the sight and smell are some of the things she remembers. After she kept talking about it and how she wished our children would have the same memories, I said "Our family Christmas will have a tradition of using only real trees." She was very happy to hear that and then proceeded to tell me how she would decorate the house every Christmas.

Before my visit, when A talked about future children, she would start out and say "my children". Now she would say "our children". She also had a nice party at New Years. A told me she likes to make memorable holidays and would decorate the house and invite guests.

I call A everyday as long as the international phone system in Libya is working. A always accepts my calls even if she's busy sometimes at a friend's house. There are days she said she may not pick up the phone such as a few times she was invited to some embassy's holiday celebrations. Some of her friends are family of diplomats.

 According to A's profile at the site I met her on, she hasn't visited it in months. She visited it recently to remove it and didn't even tell me. What's the agenda here? Do you think she's devoted to a man?

[Boethius]

Yeah mom has an agenda! She wants her daughter to be happy and educated.

And the way to achieve a great education is through marriage to a foreigner?

How many of you have the love, time and energy to give your kids so that they learn 5 languages and bring them up in a way that they never use bad language and have exceptionally good manners?

I don't know.  However, I can say that I have devoted enough love, time and energy to my kids that none of them will be offering themselves up to middle aged men/women on internet sites at age 17.

Either you or I is wrong and the forum needs to understand which one of us can't distinguish sincere from the insincere women.

And how do you propose to do that?  

Do you think she's devoted to a man?

That hardly constitutes devotion. 

[Kuna]

BillyB,

I wish you all the best in what ever relationships you choose to pursue - but I've really gotta call you out on something...

I don't talk much and I look for women that are into me and do most of the talking.

This,  my friend,  is proof that you are deluded.

There is nobody that boasts more,  pontificates on "his awesome powers of attraction" as much,  and dreams of his ability to turn the world on a pin at his demand, than you.



... and more proof:

According to A's profile at the site I met her on, she hasn't visited it in months. She visited it recently to remove it and didn't even tell me. What's the agenda here? Do you think she's devoted to a man?

If you were so confident... were such "the man".... so in control of everything you desire... why do you need to still check dating sites to see if she is still listed and how often she visits?



Billy,  sadly,  I think you'll come to regret this thread.  There are only two outcomes possible:

1.  You find out you're not "the man" (which you'll deny because you'll make up another story to cover your weaknesses) - and this fantasy goes nowhere, or;

2.  You get your girl to the US,  she eventually finds this thread,  and she kicks you're ass out of HER HOUSE for being such a fool and for treating her like a pawn in your plan for hooking "a nice tasty one".  It's really demeaning stuff here mate!

I think it's entirely possible she is genuine... I think it's most likely you are not.

Sorry,  but it's what I deduce from these adolescent ramblings...  but I do genuinely wish you all the best.

Kuna

[Faux Pas]

Very bizarre

[pitbull]

Happy New Year everyone!

Fortunately for A, she has not experienced the pain you've experienced. 

I sure hope at the age of 17. 

Billy, there is one certain way to make 100% sure you'll get a girl with no "pain" experience whatsoever when A. gets her GC and leaves and you start trying again. You know, in some cultures, you can take a little girl (like 5-6 y.o.) into your house and raise yourself a nice little wifey just the way you like it. This way you ensure that you are the only cause of pain she ever experiences 

[TomT]

I for one believe in President Theodore Roosevelt's motto "Speak softly and carry a big stick".

Judging by your avatar, I would have thought that your motto was to speak softly and clutch a big sword with both hands.