Life Changes...Part Deux

[tim 360]

Yeah Billy it looks like a good time to get outta there fast.

[GoodOlBoy]

I also sincerely hope that Mother and Child escape Libya unscathed.

GOB

[erudite]

Eurdite--Try your logic on a political forum--this is the wrong place.

tim 360........are you someone special I should respect and to whom I should defer?  Write your recommendations on a roll of toilet paper and send it to me. I will know what to do with them.    

In the meantime let's all say a prayer for the OP's significant other and family in Libya and their safe refuge wherever that may eventually be.

[Faux Pas]

We went though this earlier. Start another thread if you want to talk about it in detail. It's simple. A guy having great communications with a lady who knows perfect English for a year and they agree to marry on a first visit is better off than a man having poor communications with a woman who knows little English and they agree to marry after a second visit.

Billy none of this negates the fact that you are a OWW. One meeting with a 18 year old girl and you are planning a marriage. Was any of that not true? Justify it any way you feel you must. It makes me no difference. Many who venture into this pursuit know going in the distance changes many parameters versus a local or in-country relationship. It doesn't however, change that much. The man and women with two visits and language problems do have a better chance than you with this girl IMO.

BluesFairy had 3 years communication with her husband before they first met. I don't know if they had feelings or agreed to marry before or during a first visit. Are they Nucking Futs too?

Thats 3 years communicating Billy. Are you so wrapped up in your pooncoma and bravado that you can't recognize the difference? Wasn't it just last summer you were expecting two teens to visit and stay with you during the summer? That wasn't even a year ago. How you can compare your situation to BF's is a mystery.

If you had poor communications with your wife and needed 10 visits to figure her out, that is you and your situation. It doesn't apply to me in my situation. I've dated and turned away numerous women earlier in this thread because I quickly figured out that we weren't a match and you guys questioned if I could even commit. When I find what I'm looking for, I can commit.

I didn't have poor communications with my wife Billy. Why are you attempt to dredge and deflect? In the interest of full disclosure and an effort to keep you from making something up, my wife speaks excellent English. I had about 3 months face time and over 2 years before we discussed marriage.

I remember you said 3 weeks ago in your post that there are a lot of intelligent people giving me advice but you edited it. Why? Faux, you have been blind this whole thread. Earlier you didn't believe a woman would want her man to be a teacher although Lily said on page one that she would welcome a man to be her teacher.

You've obviously confused me with someone else. I never made such a statement. I'm not even a mod here and I've never edited anyone's post.

What you don't realize is that you're not in the majority. You have some Western men and a Western woman on your side. Not much variety there. The majority in this thread is silent and the silent majority isn't as alarmed or inspired to post anything. Don't you think there are intelligent people in that group? There are intelligent RW that posted too but you and others fail to notice what they write. They asked if I addressed the age gap with A, if my sexual performance is up to par with a young lady, and if I can fulfill her needs.

Billy I have never on the forum, any forum or in my real life looked or sought the approval of the majority. If the majority feels or thinks as I do, power to them. If they don't, power to them as well. You apparently are keeping some kind of count. It's not a game Billy. Why most here can read the writing on the wall it still eludes you. Your fantasies of recapturing your youth are just that, fantasies. She's a girl and you are nearing an old man. When she's still in her 20's, you'll be in your fifties. Brag on your libido all you want, it doesn't change that basic math. You might dream of hanging with it but, it's only an illusion.

NEEDS! My critics have failed to address any important issues. They yap all throughout the thread about the same things over and over such as age gap yet fail to realize fulfilling ones needs is top priority. If you want to be labeled a good MAN, you need to fulfill your woman's needs.

Needs. And you a forties something man can fulfill the "needs" of a 17-18 year old girl? The needs of hers that you can fulfill Billy are obviously many at this point. How many needs can you fulfill after you've married her and committed everything you own?

Western women can make mistakes and marry a loser and mommy, daddy and welfare will rescue them if they make a mistake when choosing a man. RW and women from less fortunate countries actually have to be smart and choose the best man to fulfill needs such as take care of them and children and make good decisions in life that would benefit the family. It is often mistaken that those are desperate for going outside of the barriers of Western world's norm but it isn't that they're desperate, they are intelligent for choosing men wisely. They don't have a mommy such as Boethius who will take care of them forever if they fall with the wrong man. Boethius said earlier she raises her daughter so she won't have to marry an old guy. Most intelligent women raise their daughter to marry the best guy. Marry an similar age guy or marry the best guy? Which is smarter? If lots of women think I'm the best guy and marriage material, then I'm doing something right. Don't point fingers at me. Look at yourself and how you appeal to women.

This incoherent rambling doesn't even warrant a response

You heard from a RW earlier in this thread that it's hard to find good men. There's plenty of men out there but it's hard to find GOOD men. For those of you reading this, if you can communicate well and are a good man, you will not have a problem finding dates and women to marry. BC was partially right when he said it's easy to get married. That statement applies to the few good men out there. Simply being a nice guy doesn't mean you're a good man.

GOOD men is very subjective Billy. GOOD men don't marry children. You've probably got a child that would be a better match for A than you. It's easy for anyone to get married. Yeah you're "special" Billy, just like the rest of us.

[dbneeley]

Billy,

You said:

What you don't realize is that you're not in the majority. You have some Western men and a Western woman on your side. Not much variety there. The majority in this thread is silent and the silent majority isn't as alarmed or inspired to post anything. Don't you think there are intelligent people in that group? There are intelligent RW that posted too but you and others fail to notice what they write. They asked if I addressed the age gap with A, if my sexual performance is up to par with a young lady, and if I can fulfill her needs.

Don't read so much into the "silent majority." I believe it's fairly clear that most folks don't comment simply because they understand you are so much into denial that it will make no difference.

To me, it's ludicrous that you don't understand that there is a huge difference between a 17 or 18 year old *girl* and someone even eight or ten years older. The mental and emotional growth that takes place in those years is huge. For a lady in her mid to late twenties to engage in a large age gap relationship is far different from a young girl the age of your young friend.

For a man of your age to be seeking it is simply creepy. As I said somewhat earlier, a sexual liaison with a girl then 17 by someone of your more advanced years would be considered statutory rape in most States of the U.S. Why do you think this is? (I daresay your trip with this end would also be considered "sex tourism" under the various laws, also I believe a criminal offense.) Now why do you think that is?

Yes, some of these girls can be quite entrancing. However, a relationship with one would be more like a father/daughter situation than one of a true mate.

You can try to justify all you wish, but seeking a marriage apparently after only one period spent together in person simply shows your own bad judgement.

I daresay there are many others who believe as I do about all this...so, like I say, I believe it is a major mistake for you to read anything into the relative silence on the subject.

David

[Gator]

Thats 3 years communicating Billy. Are you so wrapped up in your pooncoma and bravado that you can't recognize the difference?

Pooncoma?  Is that male poontang.   

[Faux Pas]

Pooncoma?  Is that male poontang.   

I made that up  but It works. Males don't have a poontang, at least attached to their body. It  is however what induces a pooncoma

[GQBlues]

Pooncoma was last seen in Vegas...

Good ol' BillyB is getting pretty roughed up here...I believe Billy mentioned he was in the service before so I'm pretty darn sure he understands well enough that the age of '18' is hardly considered a 'child'.

After all, do we not belong to this wonderful culture where 18 year olds are trained and dispatched for war specifically to kill people? Deductively, folks are saying 18 year olds are too young for marriage, but old enough for slaughter.

Besides, in a little less than 10 days of existence, Jack's photo thread of young flesh for this site's membership is nearly averaging 200 hits/day. I woul bet the download number is fairly high, too. It's so wet with jitters reading the thread that it leaves me to wonder the point of all the bickering here at all. I would wager that the average age in those photos are at least 20-30 years, maybe even 40 years younger than the average age of its happy admirers.

Mewonders why Jack never present photos of 50-60 year old women...those would be more age appropriate for this forum, is it not? Age appropriation is not only an oxymoron, but hypocritical.

If BillyB goes ahead to close the deal with this gal - get over it. It isn't your life to live, it's his...

I'm not quite sure if the problem folks have with his situation have to do with him doing something that's likely more in the norm (large age difference) in this silly MOB, or the fact there can only be one BillyB.

Being married to a very young Siberian, I can tell Billy it isn't a picnic. Do I regret marrying the woman I did, hell no. There are times I wished she was much older though... 

[SteveOR]

"A plane carrying 125 Ukrainians and 38 foreigners from Libya landed at Kiev's Boryspil airport early Thursday."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/24/501364/main20035849.shtml?tag=stack

Did A and her mother make it out on this flight?

[BillyB]

So far, foreigners have not been the target of any violence.
 

With Libya's 30% unemployment rate and lots of skilled jobs going to foreigners, it's a matter of time before some unemployed Libyan takes his frustrations out on any foreigner who he thinks stole his job. The foreign embassies are wise to get their people out ASAP. Once the airports and sea ports are points of conflict, the door out of there will be closed. Best for people not to miss the boat.

Nevertheless, I hope she is successful in getting out of Libya now.  

I went another day without phone contact with A but got an email this morning which came about 4 1/2  hours after she landing in Ukraine.

"dear bill we are home..we come at 12 night by big military plane... we leave in libya everythiing..we could take only 15 kg... it is so cold here and i dont have clothes..oh bill i can not explain how it was.. i was so afraid,..they were shooting, killing..
we were standing  on the strong rain  15 hours..near the airport waiting
i can not give you my phone number because i dont have mobile... i lost a small bag with mobiles and food...and some clothes because there were 10,000 people and we couldnt pass trough them so i lost the bag
we leave all there..money, clothes ,books,, we were thinking how to stay alive .....my mom with me ..
so many people just could go from libya.."


A is an avid book reader and she left behind many cherished books. I haven't discussed in detail yet what all she and mom left behind but I can imagine the computer, family heirlooms, photos, possibly jewelry and other things of sentimental value. All lost forever back at their apartment or the bag A left behind so she can squeeze through the crowd to get to her chartered flight on time.

It's only been a few days from A being upset with me for prematurely discussing an evacuation plan to her leaving everything she owns behind. I will never tell her “I told her so” and won't discuss anything negative. I'm sure she's going to spend some time reflecting on what she lost, the Libyan friends she will probably soon lose from Civil War and the shock of the whole situation. She'll need some time to cry and heal. I'm going to send her more money so she and her mom can buy some clothes to get through the cold Ukrianian winter.

Looking back at everything, if I could do something different, I would have told her mom to take all her money out of the bank as soon as the problems in Tunisia and Eygpt started. I didn't know her mom used a bank since many people in those parts of the world don't have much faith in them.

Recently some Libyian military units have sided with the protesters and ready to do battle against military units who remain loyal to Gadhafi. Gadhafi could have easily prevented this by asking the UN to conduct a fair election to satisfy the people that he is the people's choice. He is risking his, his children, his grandchildren, and Libyian people's lives so that he could remain in power. The old fart should just retire and try to enjoy the rest of his life instead of holding onto power and allowing terror to fill everyone's lives. I never said anything bad about Gadhafi while A and her mom lived in Libya but since they don't anymore, I'd like to say I'd have no problem putting a knife to Gadhafi's throat and slitting it. It's not for personal pleasure, just business.

you (and A) will hear a lot worse things out of peoples mouths here in the GoodOl' USA, when they find out you are chasing 17/18 year old girls from Russia on the internet. :

You're another guy that speaks about how you'd feel if you were in my situation. I'm not you. Maybe you're worried about your image and bend to societal norms  and can't put yourself in my position but when someone insults me and my lady, they are basically asking me to bash in their face.

What kind of man are you? You grow all your life and you have some idea how people talk and react to you. How do people react to me? I make a lot of good decisions in life so family, friends, and people at work react favorable to anything I do based off respect I've earned. I carry photos of A in my wallet and show them off to people at work. Some low level construction workers and others are in management. In the past I've showed them photos of RW that I visted then. Most don't have experience with RW but most say “Wow!, does she have a sister or is her mother single?” That's based off photos alone before I talk about A's exceptional character. When my inspector looked at A with her mother, he wanted to know if her mother was single. I had to remind him that he is married.

Simply put, I don't have the same image problems in life you have. You should think about your behavior of late. Your wife may one day wake up and wonder why she married a low life scum bucket. I notice lately you've been downloading my photos off this thread, altering it and putting them back up on this forum in an attempt to riddicule me. I hope you're not jerking off to them. A and I are off limits but you can take that pig photo I posted and go down on that hog all you want.

The man and women with two visits and language problems do have a better chance than you with this girl IMO.

Now you're at the point of making things up. Maybe BluesFairy would like to clarify but she and her husband may have discussed marriage before their first visit. I would not condemn her for that. Feelings can devolop and feelings are more important than a spark from a first date. So now are you going to say two visits and no visits are better than my one visit when discussing marriage?

You need to learn how to read when a woman wants you in her life or even in her bed so you can make your move. I and A never talked marriage before my visit. If I couldn't make up my mind if I wanted her or not, she would go look for a man that would want her instead of waiting till her next vacation in a year for me to see her a second time when she'll be back in Ukraine. Most women won't wait 2 years like your wife did for a man to sh!t or get off the pot making up his mind if he's going to claim her or not.

Billy I have never on the forum, any forum or in my real life looked or sought the approval of the majority.

You are confused again about my message here so I'll repeat it again. I don't seek your or anybody's approval. I'm not here to impress or appeal to you. This thread isn't even about my relationship with A. I'm giving you guys a near real time version of what's happening in my life. I will interact with many ladies and find a high quality lady and end up happy. Guys who are struggling on attracting women can compare and make adjustsments if necessary to improve their odds with the ladies.

Now some of you are yelling pretty loud. You shouldn't let another person's life get you flustered. If any of you reading this thread is flustered, you should take a chill pill and figure out why you aren't as successful with the ladies. A few guys understand what I'm going through because they are having the same success and the pick of the litter of the few quality ladies out there. Don't worry about me making mistakes. Figure out how YOU can make yourself more appealing to the ladies for similar success.

I'm well aware of the odds between young and old. I'm also aware men and women in our age group have a 65%+ divorce rate because a lot of quality people remain married so there is less quality people in our age group availble to choose from. Some people aren't marriage material no matter how much you convince me their age is a good fit for me. I was considering marring a woman older than I last year but all she was looking for was companionship, not marriage so we had a short term relationship/fling if that's what you want to call it. Great gal but she wasn't ready to marry again.

Brag on your libido all you want,

You've been sounding like a broken record throughout this thread and ever since I answered a question from a RW if my I'm up to par with a young woman sexually, you implode. Many sexually healthy women need some excitement under the sheets. We are seeking relationships here, not friendships and within relationships, sex happens. Don't feel uncomfortable if it's talked about.

I know guys who married sexual duds. It's not fun and the physical part of the marriage sucks. It's very important for me to not marry a sexual dud. It's very important to me to give my lady the best possible sex so that she is happy too. Even A's mom knows it's important which led her to have a talk about it with me. What good is a pretty/handsome face if the sex is bad?

Take a chill pill, step away from the computer a few days and give your wife a hug. Then come back and post happy that you're life is in order and quit worrying about me. You're already flustered to the point of making up words. You got Gator and others wasting 5-10 minutes of their lives Googling to learn what the hell you're saying. Your's, Kuna's, and GoodOleBoy's posts lately lead me to believe you're screamers when you don't get your way with your wives. RELAX


Earlier some people thought I may have problems getting a k-1 approved by a consular officer. Don't worry, I will get my way. When my ex-fiancee didn't pass her interview the first time, I got an attorney, got back up from my congressman, and communcated with the US embassy in Uzbekistan maturely. I will get my way. When I came to visit  the embassy, I told them my name and the lady said “We know who you are”.  I didn't scream when they didn't pass my ex fiancee. Speak softly, carry a big stick(no pun intended), and have an attorney and high level government officials backing you up. As long as A wants to be with me, I will get my way and she will get here.

"A plane carrying 125 Ukrainians and 38 foreigners from Libya landed at Kiev's Boryspil airport early Thursday."

Did A and her mother make it out on this flight?

Not sure it was that flight Steve but A did say she arrived Midnight which is basically early morning and it was a big military plane so there will be limited seats so 163 passengers sounds like it could be it's capacity.



Not confirmed yet but I think there is one thing I believe A left behind in Libya and I'll tell you about it here through one of our phone conversations.

A: Guess what Bill!?!?  I have a new pussy! (in an excited tone of voice)

Me: Uh....what did you say?

A: I have a pussy.

Me: The phone system is bad today and I can't hear you very well so can you explain how you got this so I can better understand? (I lied, the phones were perfect that day.)

A: Well... I was standing on the balcony and seen 3 boys about 12 yo drowing a pussy. I yelled at them and ran down to save it. Unfortunately the boys had poked something in the pussy's eye and damaged it but I will take care of this pussy now. It is only a few weeks old

Me: Ohhh. You have a pussy cat. Since it's a baby, we call it a kitten.


The cat is a few months old now and made A giggle a lot on the phone during our phone communcations. I hope she found a neighbor to take care of it. A has a good grasp of the American language but on the word “pussy” she's outta the loop. We'll have a  good laugh over it someday since I didn't tell her what it means to most people. I chuckle whenever I think she calls her international friends and tell them in English to come over and see her pussy.

Here are a few photos of A in Libya. GoodOleBoy. Leave the photos alone and stay focused on your own wife.

[tim 360]

Thanks for the update Billy, good they made it out of Libya.

[Faux Pas]

Pooncoma was last seen in Vegas...
Good ol' BillyB is getting pretty roughed up here...I believe Billy mentioned he was in the service before so I'm pretty darn sure he understands well enough that the age of '18' is hardly considered a 'child'.

After all, do we not belong to this wonderful culture where 18 year olds are trained and dispatched for war specifically to kill people? Deductively, folks are saying 18 year olds are too young for marriage, but old enough for slaughter.

They're not allow to legally drink alcohol too. Would you want to venture a guess why?  BillyB is repeatedly stepping in pooh with his remarks and justifications of why it is okay to marry this school aged girl. Rather than just cleaning it off his shoe, he's wiped it with his hand, scratched his head and now rubbing his chin and hoping the rest of us think it chocolate while he slips a taste on his tongue now and along. GQ, you're welcome to taste it up if you want to. I ain't buying it.

Besides, in a little less than 10 days of existence, Jack's photo thread of young flesh for this site's membership is nearly averaging 200 hits/day. I woul bet the download number is fairly high, too. It's so wet with jitters reading the thread that it leaves me to wonder the point of all the bickering here at all. I would wager that the average age in those photos are at least 20-30 years, maybe even 40 years younger than the average age of its happy admirers.

Mewonders why Jack never present photos of 50-60 year old women...those would be more age appropriate for this forum, is it not? Age appropriation is not only an oxymoron, but hypocritical.

Trying to appeal to another sense of man's animal instinct are we? It wouldn't matter to me if Jack was posted women 80 years old. If they were attractive, I'd look at them. I look and admire local women no matter the age who are sexy and attractive. I do it in the FSU as well. Does that mean I would ask them out on a date, for marriage or make love to them? Not on your life. I'm older, not blind.

If BillyB goes ahead to close the deal with this gal - get over it. It isn't your life to live, it's his...

I'm not quite sure if the problem folks have with his situation have to do with him doing something that's likely more in the norm (large age difference) in this silly MOB, or the fact there can only be one BillyB.

Being married to a very young Siberian, I can tell Billy it isn't a picnic. Do I regret marrying the woman I did, hell no. There are times I wished she was much older though... 

Ah geeze. Please don't make it the age old, Age Gap Debate. It's not and you know it. You find few who disagree with any age gap between two consenting adults. 17 or 18 year old girls do not qualify. I don't have a dog in this hunt. It's Billy's hunt. I wish BillyB all the success in this world no matter what he chooses to do. I do find his constant justifications and self affirmations a bit nauseating but other than that it's his life. I also find it ironic that of all Billy's good advice he has doled out over the years, he fails to follow it. It really does not matter to me if he finds success with "A" and her mammy. I hope that he does but you have to admit GQ, the odds are greatly against him.

Billy is stroking himself over what a GOOD man he is and it will overcome everything. Well, the roadside is littered with many GOOD men. "Me Billy Strongcack, me special, no rules, all bets are off". Are you buying it?

I see you say you are married to a young Siberian, was she 18 and did you propose on the first trip?

[Daveman]

I am also very glad that they made it out of Lybia and into safe territory...

The emotional tension seems to be running high in the thread at the moment...  take a step back.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of BillyB's choices, I still say he's handled himself more admirably than some of his adversaries throughout this thread.  

[SteveOR]

Not sure it was that flight Steve but A did say she arrived Midnight which is basically early morning and it was a big military plane so there will be limited seats so 163 passengers sounds like it could be it's capacity.

Thank goodness!

[Faux Pas]

BillyB,

Your latest dribble is about as mindless as it gets. I'm almost expecting your next post you'll declare you're awaiting the next Hale Bopp comet for a ride into the galaxy. Rather than fuel anymore of it I just won't answer and you can claim victory in the oneupmans game, okay? 

[Miri22]

"Simply put, I don't have the same image problems in life you have. You should think about your behavior of late. Your wife may one day wake up and wonder why she married a low life scum bucket. I notice lately you've been downloading my photos off this thread, altering it and putting them back up on this forum in an attempt to riddicule me. I hope you're not jerking off to them. A and I are off limits but you can take that pig photo I posted and go down on that hog all you want."

Wow.

[GoodOlBoy]

You're another guy that speaks about how you'd feel if you were in my situation.

BillyB, I would NEVER and I mean NEVER find myself in your "situation" .
I don't chase 17/18 year old girls on the internet or in person.
There is a name for people like you who have sick fantasies about living their lives with young girls/boys (children), BUT Dan would not be very happy with me if I were to use that word on his forum.
So out of respect for Dan, I will not do so.

GOB

PS...I am also glad that the child in question (A) and Mom are OK.

[GQBlues]

They're not allow to legally drink alcohol too. Would you want to venture a guess why?

Because the powers-that-be who makes all the rules understands when old folks get drunk they start acting like teenagers. After all, why remind these 18 year olds what they've so eagerly and recently 'left behind' so soon.

Hey, look at it this way, they sure are 'old enough' to elect morons to DC offices to rule over you and me and everyone, no? So in the same sense, they're just as mature as any of us, no?

Trying to appeal to another sense of man's animal instinct are we? It wouldn't matter to me if Jack was posted women 80 years old. If they were attractive, I'd look at them. I look and admire local women no matter the age who are sexy and attractive. I do it in the FSU as well. Does that mean I would ask them out on a date, for marriage or make love to them? Not on your life. I'm older, not blind.

C'mon FP.That's a farce and you know it. That argument is about as relevant as finding an attractive 80 year old you can drool over.

Ah geeze. Please don't make it the age old, Age Gap Debate. It's not and you know it. You find few who disagree with any age gap between two consenting adults. 17 or 18 year old girls do not qualify. I don't have a dog in this hunt. It's Billy's hunt. I wish BillyB all the success in this world no matter what he chooses to do.

His GF is 18 and last I checked 18 is legal age even in the US. Your repeated citing of '17' does give light to your argument. I'd be huffing and puffing too if this gal is '17', but you know what, she ain't. 10 is 10 and 20 is 20 as 30 is 30...no matter how this site butter and sugar coat that reality, those numbers is as true today as they will be for years to follow.

I do find his constant justifications and self affirmations a bit nauseating but other than that it's his life.

This, I will agree. "Gag-me-with-a-spoon, finger-in-the-throat" kinda thing...but that's the 'new and improved' BillyB. Maybe the earthmoving business is slower up north compared to down here in my paradise.

I was on the edge waiting to see if he'll ever pacify the audience and blurt out what he named the famed femme-tamer. "Hubert, the Great!" Maybe "Pancho, the Love-Enchilada!" or a more humbled "FAH Q". How'bout "The FONZ" ?

I also find it ironic that of all Billy's good advice he has doled out over the years, he fails to follow it. It really does not matter to me if he finds success with "A" and her mammy. I hope that he does but you have to admit GQ, the odds are greatly against him.

Right now I'm leaning to be more indifferent than not simply because I really don't know him personally, or what he's capable of - realistically. On the onset of this thread, some of the things BillyB were spewing were over-the-top for me simply because I know the game, played it hundreds/thousands of time. He was posting 'real-time' stories on the very same days he would post these long drivels. Even now, I am not convinced many of his storylines are true to life documentaries. But hey guess what, whether it's reality or fantasy, when all is said and done either or both are all his to own up to.

I'm still for the Mexican though as I still prefer menudo over borscht. BTW, is she still in the running to get love from BillyB and The FONZ?

Billy is stroking himself over what a GOOD man he is and it will overcome everything. Well, the roadside is littered with many GOOD men. "Me Billy Strongcack, me special, no rules, all bets are off". Are you buying it?

For the 2 cents it cost me to buy a seat in this venue, sure! Why not? Because when you really think about it, FP - that's the cost for cheap entertainment. It bears very little in our respective lives. Take a last sip from the pop, toss out the popcorn cup and depart into the night.

see you say you are married to a young Siberian, was she 18 and did you propose on the first trip?

Well, she was 18 once in her life that's for sure...and 'no' I didn't propose on the first trip. My heart was locked up, chained-up in my bedroom, under the bed when I left for Russia. I did bring condoms though, does that count?

But I've said this to you before already, FP. Yeah, I'm surprised at some of the things BillyB is posting lately for no other reason than they seem to be opposite of what I thought I knew of him. But guess what? It didn't take long to realize I don't really KNOW him, you know. I think neither do you unless I'm mistaken (?).

[GoodOlBoy]

His GF is 18 and last I checked 18 is legal age even in the US. Your repeated citing of '17' does give light to your argument. I'd be huffing and puffing too if this gal is '17', but you know what, she ain't.

But GQ, through BillyB's own admission in this thread she was 17 when he first made contact with this child.

I mean what is next for RWD GQ......16yo's? 15yo's? 12yo's?

GOB

BTW....I still don't understand why any REAL man would admit to contacting under age teenagers on the internet, UNLESS he has a serious problem or just wants to brag to other sick people on the internet.

[GQBlues]

But GQ, through BillyB's own admission in this thread she was 17 when he first contacted this child.

GOB

I know what you mean GOB. Remember Elvis? Look how this country love and react (ed) towards him...maybe BillyB believes in reincarnation...yah never know.

"ELVIS", there you go, that's a good name for the tamer..

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Hey Billy,

I am very happy to read that your fiance A and her mother made it out of Libya safe and sound.  it's sad that they had to leave behind personal possessions--hopefully she was able to leave the kitten and some personal items with some Libyan friends who had to stay behind.  the most important thing is that her and her mother are now safe.  she is lucky that she has you to send her money for clothes, etc. during this difficult adjustment.

those of you who have been ridiculing Bill during a very dangerous crisis, when he did not know if his fiance and her mother were safe, injured or worse; have taken internet bullying to a new low.  I have seen it on other forums, but never to this low level.  whether you agree with it or not, Billy and his fiance are both of LEGAL and CONSENTING age, so get over it.  and you should hope and pray that you never have to go through a crisis, where your loved ones are in harms way; the internet and phone service are shut off, AND you have to deal with untimely and inappropriate criticism at the same time.

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BillyB,

Your latest dribble is about as mindless as it gets. I'm almost expecting your next post you'll declare you're awaiting the next Hale Bopp comet for a ride into the galaxy. Rather than fuel anymore of it I just won't answer and you can claim victory in the oneupmans game, okay? 

you should read Daveman's post above and give it a rest.

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BillyB, I would NEVER and I mean NEVER find myself in your "situation" .
I don't chase 17/18 year old girls on the internet or in person.
There is a name for people like you who have sick fantasies about living their lives with young girls/boys (children), BUT Dan would not be very happy with me if I were to use that word on his forum.
So out of respect for Dan, I will not do so.

GOB

PS...I am also glad that the child in question (A) and Mom are OK.

A is not a child, she is of legal age, therefore she is a young woman, whether you like it or not.

[GoodOlBoy]

...and you should hope and pray that you never have to go through a crisis, where your loved ones are in harms way; the internet and phone service are shut off, AND you have to deal with untimely and inappropriate criticism at the same time.

I wouldn't shed to many tears for BillyB (rah-rah) Rubicon.
He has managed to overcome his fears and grief and posted some "tantalizing" kiddie pictures for those who are interested.

GOB

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I wouldn't shed to many tears for BillyB (rah-rah) Rubicon.
He has managed to overcome his fears and grief and posted some "tantalizing" kiddie pictures for those who are interested.

GOB

the age of consent in some states is only 16; so what do you do about that??  if the two partners are in a commited relationship which does not involve coercion/drugs/prostitution/illegal pornography; I do not concern myself with worrying about it nor waste time complaining about it.