league and age gaps

[Turboguy]

I/O,
He was not even close to being in love?!

KenC posted in '05:
'...I was thunderstruck by a photo of Lena that was posted on a website.  I immediately called her.  I became completely infatuated with her personality through numerous phone calls.  The first time I actually met her, the sight of her took my breath away.  We had instant undeniable chemistry.  It was as though we were made for each other.  After more trips and her arrival to America, we married and have been in total happiness ever since.  But at what point was it "love"?...'

Love?...lust?....infatuation?...   -doug

Score one for the guy who like to take pictures.   That one in most battles would be a knockout blow.  Here it is probably just monkey food.

DD, yes that was one of the funnier lines I have heard for a while, I agree.

CaptB.  Best post of the thread.

Mir, Second best post of the thread.

William, I agree,  Try an AM-AW forum.   Older men, younger women gets about as much air time as persuing a RW does here and far less negative a reaction as a 10 year gap here.

[ScottinCrimea]

Here is what I have garnered from this thread:

What KenC is saying is "I have been there, done that and am still doing that.  Would I recommend it to someone else?  Hell no!  Not because it hasn't worked for me, but because the odds are so strongly against you that it's foolish to actually seek such a situation."  He also notes that a 37 year age gap increases exponentially the problems that he has faced.  Now KenC, feel free to correct me or add anything to my interpretation.

What Turbo and vwrw are saying is, "The problems in a relationship with an age gap are not really different than the problems with any relationship.  It's all about love and compatibility".  He delights in hearing the tales of  "I heard of a man who told me of someone who knows someone who married a RW much younger than himself and they have a happy marriage.  He says if you don't say what I want to hear, you didn't understand the question.  The reason he keeps interjecting himself into these discussions is because he keeps trying to rephrase the question in the hopes that he will get the responses he wants.  After much effort, he's managed to gather a few followers, such as Photoguy, who only dreams about being in Turbo's situation, but the rational thinkers see the facts for what they are.  We see the odds, we see the attitudes, we see the history of those involved, and we draw reasonable conclusions.  We got a pretty good history of vwrw when she deceitfully began posting as someone else, when she revealed her past "indiscretions" and to be honest, it wasn't pretty. Now maybe they will beat the odds, which, I believe are much greater than the odds that KenC has beaten, but I wouldn't bet a plugged nickel on it.  Of course the obvious response is to redefine what "success" means.  That way, if he crashes and burns after a couple of years, he can say that it falls within the definition of success. Even the fact that he feels the need to play with the definition of success shows that he is hedging his bets.

His was not an "accidental encounter"  with an age gap problem.  He set his sights a long time ago on "smooth young flesh" and damn the consequences.  His priority was not the character of the woman, it was the quality of of her physical being.  It took him 11 years, but he found someone who met his qualifications.  My impression is that vwrw sees this as a big game, especially by her comment that she is on this forum for reasons that she cannot discuss.  She has already pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes and she is practicing her ability to do the same with other WM.  I agree that she thinks she is smarter than the rest of us here.  She has a plan, and Turbo is a means to that end.  Whether he will like that end is another question, but he is already stating (to paraphrase) that if he has 5 years of good sex and companionship he will be happy no matter what.  That is roughly the timeframe for the things that vwrw needs to accomplish with his support.

I guess based on their redefined definition of success, over the next five years she will get what she wants, he Will get what he wants, and if they go their separate ways, no one will complain.  They both can claim success.  Unfortunately Turbo will now be 5 years older and searching for yet another nubile RW while vwrw will be in her prime, in America, independent and able to choose her next lover.  As long as both are okay with that, I guess we have no reason to object.  Maybe the real difference here is what our definition of success is.  My gut feeling is that in five years (Or less) vwrw will feel very successful and Turbo will only have five years of good sex and conversation to consider as his success.

[William3rd]

deceit, delusion and duplicity-three pillars to a successful relationship. . . .
I think my ignore list just got a little longer.

[vwrw]

ScottinCrimea,
I see my relationship with Turbo captured your fantasy. Thank you for taking a time to think about us.

Do you like Kuna? If yes, could you be so kind to give some of your time to Kuna’s relationship? He is suffering due to lack of attention. Thank you in advance.

[I/O]

This is not a comment on this thread...  but thanks to you I/O for the line above...
I really enjoyed spewing my morning coffee out of my nose....
DD

DD Not sure if I have caught your context correctly, but I was referring to P/G's remark regarding Ken'C being thunderstruck.

Score one for the guy who like to take pictures.   That one in most battles would be a knockout blow.  Here it is probably just monkey food.

Ehem Turbo, I still fail to see the word LOVE anywhere in any of that and I also note that apparently KenC remarked AFTER multiple trips and time together etc etc they married.  Hardly adds up to being head over heels in love AT THE TIME he first met LenaC. You really do need new spectacles. Perhaps the glow of that young flesh has effected your eyesight? You might have gotten a job with Don King 20 years ago, but you wouldn't last a round in the real league these days. As for P/G, he's a nice guy but just canon fodder in this caper. Unbelievable.

BTW have you ever noticed that infatuation is usually the FIRST step.  Lust comes somewhere after or about then and LOVE is something that develops over a long period of time.  Most who have experienced real love will tell you that it is an ever growing dynamic. Virtually impossible to experience BEFORE meeting.

I/O

[docetae]

My point of view ... When I was 22, I had a relation during 2 years with a woman who was 34... Honestly, if age gap at the beginning is fun (each one learn a lot from the other) , with time, differences start to appears and make things more difficult ...In my search I was open to meet women who were 2 years older than me...

Today, my girlfriend is 29, I am 33 ... I will never be with someone with more than 9 years of age difference...

[KenC]

I/O,
He was not even close to being in love?!

KenC posted in '05:
'...I was thunderstruck by a photo of Lena that was posted on a website.  I immediately called her.  I became completely infatuated with her personality through numerous phone calls.  The first time I actually met her, the sight of her took my breath away.  We had instant undeniable chemistry.  It was as though we were made for each other.  After more trips and her arrival to America, we married and have been in total happiness ever since.  But at what point was it "love"?...'

Love?...lust?....infatuation?...   -doug

PG,
One of your (many) problems is well defined here in your last line.  You cannot recognise the difference between infatuation, lust or love.  Sometimes actions speak louder than words.  Did I proceed into a K-1 situation like you did after one visit or Turbo with the first young woman that would have him?  Um, no.  Keep in mind that everything could not have gone better on my first trip to meet Lena.  Not like your first trip where you were rejected from even obtaining a decent kiss.  Also factor in that Lena and I could actually communicate with each other and she didn't require an interpreter/body guard in my presence.  The list of things I did right and you did wrong is really quite long.  Simple things, like meeting her parents on the first trip and being accepted by them.

I have no idea what your strange little mind thinks you have found in my post that you quoted, because what it doesn't say is that I was in love at first sight.  It says somewhere between our first meeting and getting married, we fell in love. DUH!?
 :selfharm:
KenC

[Misha]

I/O,
He was not even close to being in love?!

KenC posted in '05:
'...I was thunderstruck by a photo of Lena that was posted on a website.  I immediately called her.  I became completely infatuated with her personality through numerous phone calls.  The first time I actually met her, the sight of her took my breath away.  We had instant undeniable chemistry.  It was as though we were made for each other.  After more trips and her arrival to America, we married and have been in total happiness ever since.  But at what point was it "love"?...'

Love?...lust?....infatuation?...   -doug

Well, Ken is actually describing the normal stages of most relationships/marriages. The hormonal rush that Ken describes in his initial meetings with Lena usually lasts a couple of years (up to 7 depending whether the woman has a child) hence the "three-year-itch" and the "seven-year-itch." The fact that Ken and Lena are together after 8 years indicates that if what they have now is not love (in the true sense, not the romantic falling in love love) then it must be something pretty close to it.

[DizzyD]

DD Not sure if I have caught your context correctly, but I was referring to P/G's remark regarding Ken'C being thunderstruck.
I/O

yeah I/O... I know what you were referring to , and in regard to my reply there really isn't any context to get.. i simply found the description of the "relationship" between your toilet bowl and your arse very amusing....

DD

[KenC]

Well, Ken is actually describing the normal stages of most relationships/marriages. The hormonal rush that Ken describes in his initial meetings with Lena usually lasts a couple of years (up to 7 depending whether the woman has a child) hence the "three-year-itch" and the "seven-year-itch." The fact that Ken and Lena are together after 8 years indicates that if what they have now is not love (in the true sense, not the romantic falling in love love) then it must be something pretty close to it.

Thanks gabaub,
But I still get thet "hormonal rush" to this day!
KenC

[vwrw]

From KenC: Did I proceed into a K-1 situation like you did after one visit or Turbo with the first young woman that would have him?  Um, no.

vwrw: Hmmm, interesting! I thought you were NOT interested in young women…and it was a miracle that you married one of them. Now, it proved to be Lena was not the first young woman that would have you…I thought she was the only one of young.    

[William3rd]

Hmmm- vrvw is only ignored by three. After her proven track record of dishonesty on this site, disingenuous pontifications,  and recent frequent attacks of verbal flatulence, I would have thought that the number would have been substantially higher.

 

You guys can have this thread for all that it is worth

[vwrw]

From gabaub: The fact that Ken and Lena are together after 8 years indicates that if what they have now is not love (in the true sense, not the romantic falling in love love) then it must be something pretty close to it.   

vwrw: I am agreed. Moreover, KenC, of course, he is not all good, but he is not all bad either. I even can guess why she could love him.   

[Photo Guy]

KenC, Regarding Lena, you're the one who finished a paragraph
with the unclear  'but at what point was it love?' That was your line.
Take note I/O.

I think Ken would not have married Lena, had he been the
practical cautious guy he pretends to be for newbies.  -doug

[vwrw]

From William3rd: I would have thought that the number would have been substantially higher.
 
vwrw: you see even you sometime can be mistaken, not only me. 

[KenC]

From KenC: Did I proceed into a K-1 situation like you did after one visit or Turbo with the first young woman that would have him?  Um, no.

vwrw: Hmmm, interesting! I thought you were NOT interested in young women…and it was a miracle that you married one of them. Now, it proved to be Lena was not the first young woman that would have you…I thought she was the only one of young.    

VWRW,
With all due respect, you really need to get a better grasp of the language before you try to be too clever with it. The reference to "the first woman that would have him" was to Turbo not me.  Which BTW was not you, but Luda.  And to further inform you, I did meet other women on my first trip and all were significantly older than Lena.  Having such an age gap was not my criteria for selection as it was for Turbo.

I do have a serious question for you VWRW.  Does it ever worry you that Turbo chose a woman as goofy as Luda to marry with the (apparently) sole reason that she was young?  Doesn't that action really define his priorities?  Youth is what attracts Turbo to women, even if they are a little deranged, no matter.  If your main attraction to Turbo is your youth, how does that make you feel when your other qualities are minimized?
KenC

[Mod5]

The one thing I am disapointed in on the RWD is that folks are alowed to "attack" another member here without moderation.

We have not seen the line crossed yet. There are a few members who have been right on the edge. Monitoring will continue.

[KenC]

KenC, Regarding Lena, you're the one who finished a paragraph
with the unclear  'but at what point was it love?' That was your line.
Take note I/O.

So what?  If you have this much of a struggle communicating in your native tongue, I can only imagine how impossible it would be in a different language.  Again, what it means is that somewhere between our first meeting and getting married Lena and I fell in love.  To read into it a little more, I was saying that "love" is a journey not a destination.

I think Ken would not have married Lena, had he been the
practical cautious guy he pretends to be for newbies.  -doug

There were many precautions taken over a long period of time.  The bigger the risk, the more caution should be taken.  It is called risk managment, dude.
KenC

[Turboguy]

From KenC: Did I proceed into a K-1 situation like you did after one visit or Turbo with the first young woman that would have him?  Um, no.

vwrw: Hmmm, interesting! I thought you were NOT interested in (a) young women…and it was a miracle that you married one of them. Now, it proved to be Lena was not the first young woman that would have you…I thought she was the only one (of omit) young.    

VWRW, Since Ken seems to think your English is horrible and part of your reasons for being here it to improve your English I have corrected what you wrote.   To me, two very, very tiny mistakes that anyone who did not have A.D.D. would have no trouble following.   I think you do pretty terrific for someone who is self taught, never paid a penny for lessons and had no English two years ago.  I would like to see Ken trying to say something like that in Russian without Lena's help.   Notice he also criticized PG's perfect English.

[Photo Guy]

KenC,
I was making the point for I/O who mistakenly said that you were far from being in love when
you met Lena. Get it?  You were actually 'thunderstruck' (by phone) and questioned whether or
not it was love. I illustrated that for I/O.

For the record, I think it's generally very common for infatuation to be
mistaken for love, ...but love at first sight can happen too.


As KenC wrote, he was 'thunderstruck' and did not allow a large
age gap to be a factor for discontinuing the relationship.

If a huge age gap is okay for you KenC, then isn't it okay for
anyone who accepts that condition?  Or should outsiders
decide who is being cautious enough? I think newbies should
be warned of all the dangers and then be allowed to choose their
own course.   

Let's say the problems associated with the age gap
loom larger in your relationship, say ten years from now-
will you talk about those problems, for the benefit of newbies, Ken?

[KenC]

Not correcting VWRW's grammar, but the whole meaning of what she seemed to misunderstand.
KenC

[KenC]

KenC,
I was making the point for I/O who mistakenly said that you were far from being in love when
you met Lena. Get it?  You were actually 'thunderstruck' (by phone) and questioned whether or
not it was love. I illustrated that for I/O.

For the record, I think it's generally very common for infatuation to be
mistaken for love, ...but love at first sight can happen too.


As KenC wrote, he was 'thunderstruck' and did not allow a large
age gap to be a factor for discontinuing the relationship.

If a huge age gap is okay for you KenC, then isn't it okay for
anyone who accepts that condition?  Or should outsiders
decide who is being cautious enough? I think newbies should
be warned of all the dangers and then be allowed to choose their
own course.   

Let's say the problems associated with the age gap
looms larger in your relationship, say ten years from now-
will you talk about those problems, for the benefit of newbies, Ken?

Photodude,
There is a huge difference between being "thunderstruck" or infatuated and being "in love."  That is the part you don't ever seem to "get".  Probably never will either.
KenC
(Sorry guys, going to the beach with my honey, while I am gone, please continue to stoke each other and yourselves as you two seem to do so well)

[Turboguy]

Perhaps you should word things a little more clearly then Ken, since I misunderstood you too!

[Photo Guy]

Yes KenC, there is a difference. And look at the last sentence of your
paragraph from January of 05:

'...I was thunderstruck by a photo of Lena that was posted on a website.  I immediately called her.  I became completely infatuated with her personality through numerous phone calls.  The first time I actually met her, the sight of her took my breath away.  We had instant undeniable chemistry.  It was as though we were made for each other.  After more trips and her arrival to America, we married and have been in total happiness ever since.  But at what point was it "love"?...'

(I added the bold emphasis)

[ElaRossa]

I actually hold great hope for Turbo and his woman's relationship success.  

They seem to be aiming at 5 years which may or may not be realistic. My guess is that it will last as long as it takes for the female to achieve all she has planned.

She is a proven liar and has demonstrated her venom right here in our community.  When the heat was turned up she miraculously recreated herself and attacked from a different angle... or in that case - from a different personality.

She's certainly not stupid... Her crude manipulation is well supported by her skill to morph from one personality to another...  and it's well spent on someone like Turbo... We all know his obsession with fresh meat defines everything he has done for the past 11 years - and some will admire him for it!  

Turbo of course not only knew she was lying, he actually perpetuated it to give her new personalty more validity. He joined in her lies and threw away any respect he may have hoped for in this community.  His desperation did him a great disservice here... just as it will for him in Beaver Falls.

Some may call him a fool but deep down I think he knows what his future holds... He just doesn't care because his lust for young girls is just more powerful than any need for reality.

Perhaps their dysfunction has less to do with the age difference and more to do with two people with dishonest intentions.  Maybe it's just coincidence that he has been obsessed with young girls for such a long time?

No one is trying to get them to reconsider their decisions.  They are the poster-children for everything that shouldn't be done when seeking a foreign wife and they seem to wear this badge with pride.

When they were muted for the lies and deception they committed I was surprised Dan permitted their re-entry so quickly and I've often wondered why.   ???

Perhaps discussion volume is a good thing for RWD (we've recently celebrated some commendable milestones) and having a real living freak show in RWD is obviously good for traffic.

My only concern is that newbies don't think this relationship is normal...  it's quite ABNORMAL.  Even other men with large age gaps think THIS incidence is beyond bizarre!

Turbo...  can you please start ignoring age related threads and resist justifying your obsession with young girls?  I'm pretty sure most of us are sick of hearing about you two!


William... I personaly think they are scamming each other but the female is much smarter than the old man...  We are simply a part of the scam by giving them the opportunity to continually tickle each others confidence.

Kuna: complimenti.
You are the most wise and smart man within your age group I ever happen to meet, at least
virtually, in this part of the world.

Moreover, so many gentlemen participating in this discussion besides my forever favorite KenC  have represented themselves as men of integrity and honesty and wisdom, that I've decided it's time to do some introduction finally. I did do a little test-drive a couple of mouths ago just to see what kind of people were here - are they all good folks, arrogant jerks or are there predators somewhere out here . Well, a little bit of everything  .  I know, ladies are not always welcomed members in gentlemen's club, but I may represent the other side of the story. I am as you say here FSUW, U.S. citizen for couple of week already, yeah!!!, used to be married to 14 yrs older AM. In my case all possible and impossible deception and betray that might be expected from a junior part was done by the senior part of the relationship.   

to Turbopaths, so desperately appealing for an advice: Why don't you address for a feedback to all the numerous women, GFs or not, whether FSUW, American, my understanding is that Philippinas as well now, who left him as soon as they got to know a real trashy side of Turboguy apart from vacationing and entertaining and dining out on his company expense. On the other hand, why do you need any advice? Both of you have already done all your calculations. I believe people here have more pleasant ways to spent last summer days than trying to prove something to an old pervert and young but rather ambitious gold-digger. Dio mio, go ahead, you are worth each other and I can't wait to see who will outsmart who is this game.
And don't forget to let us know, pleaaaaaaase.

Beauty salon at Beaver Falls    Is it some kind of a joke?